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re: Like to hear the libertarian reaction to Trump's handling of Iran...

Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:07 pm to
Posted by 93and99
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Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:07 pm to
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TigerWhatIR


What a dumb frick !
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
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Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:07 pm to
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No, but I think you may have missed several where libertarians shite on conservatives for protecting Americans and American interests. I just wanted to give them an opportunity to let everyone know they were wrong, and dangerously so, as usual.

This is usually how these discussions go. Someone always has to push the drama queen angle like this.
Posted by Pecker
Rocky Top
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Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:07 pm to
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for protecting Americans and American interests


*American* interests

Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:08 pm to
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for protecting Americans and American interests.


There has been nothing done in the middle east to protect americans or american interests since the Taliban was toppled.

I have no issue with Soleimani being taken out in context of being there now, but we shouldn't even be there in the first damn place.

Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:08 pm to
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What if I told you most libertarians are ok with open borders *after* all welfare programs are ended?



I've mentioned this several times. It's not getting through. The funny part about the people that want to shut immigration down is that they wouldn't be here except for illegal immigration in most cases.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:09 pm to
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What if I told you most libertarians are ok with open borders *after* all welfare programs are ended?


Then I would ask you why so many support open borders, decriminalization, and public support for criminal illegals.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:10 pm to
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The funny part about the people that want to shut immigration down is that they wouldn't be here except for illegal immigration in most cases.


To be fair, when most of their ancestors immigrated here, it wasn't illegal.

Immigration didn't become a problem until the welfare state got cranking.

I don't blame immigrants for wanting to come here by any means necessary. I blame this country for setting the conditions for them wanting to.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:11 pm to
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I have no issue with Soleimani being taken out in context of being there now, but we shouldn't even be there in the first damn place.


It's the libertarian fallback. Utopia. If the world would just magically realign to everything I want, everything would be swell. There is no time machine. We have to deal with the reality of the world today. We cant change what was done in the past.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:11 pm to
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Then I would ask you why so many support open borders


Go back and read my post.

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decriminalization


Of non-violent crimes. Why the hell are we locking people up who have not committed harm against another?

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and public support for criminal illegals.


Ya this isn't a thing.
Posted by 93and99
Dayton , Oh / Allentown , Pa
Member since Dec 2018
14400 posts
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:12 pm to
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What if I told you most libertarians are ok with open borders *after* all welfare programs are ended?


You need to read the whole thread.

The Libertarian Party wants open borders regardless.
Posted by Sentrius
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Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:13 pm to
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What if I told you most libertarians are ok with open borders *after* all welfare programs are ended?



See, this is one of the biggest problems libertarians have. They're not grounded in reality.

They refuse to admit those welfare programs are never ever going to end short of a complete collapse of the United States Government.

Supporting open borders contingent on ending all welfare programs? Ok cool. Bully for you.

Except that is never going to happen.

So the next best thing is to make sure we have a tightly controlled and restricted border along with drastic and severe reductions in legal immigration.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:13 pm to
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It's the libertarian fallback. Utopia. If the world would just magically realign to everything I want, everything would be swell. There is no time machine. We have to deal with the reality of the world today. We cant change what was done in the past.


Did you not comprehend a single fricking thing I said? I specifically said I was ok with Soleimani being taken out in the context of us being there. That's straight up dealing with reality.

And the next reality needs to be pulling every fricking troop home ASAP and letting the middle east burn. We have *zero* reason to be there.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:16 pm to
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I did

you didn't link what you said, which is why i asked for the link you're referencing with that last post

saying "we need to change the rules" doesn't mean "frick the rules". remember, you are also arguing "we need to change the rules" as well
Posted by Yak
DuPage County
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:16 pm to
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Someone always has to push the drama queen angle like this.
I've quite enjoyed watching from afar
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:18 pm to
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libertarians shite on conservatives for protecting Americans and American interests

oh i can't wait for the next DEM President to use this extreme political powers you support and then have you lose your mind that he/she is "attacking Americans and American interests". CANNOT WAIT
This post was edited on 1/8/20 at 3:19 pm
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:19 pm to
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They refuse to admit those welfare programs are never ever going to end short of a complete collapse of the United States Government. 

Controlled opposition
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43407 posts
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:19 pm to
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oh i can't wait for the next DEM President to use this extreme political powers you support and then have you lose your mind that he/she is "attacking Americans and American interests". CANNOT WAIT


That's different because reasons!!!

Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
424688 posts
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:20 pm to
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See, this is one of the biggest problems libertarians have. They're not grounded in reality.


the "WE ARE BEING INVADED" crowd isn't exactly ground in reality, either

you have people who are complaining Trump hasn't ended birthright citizenship with an EO for Christ's sake
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43407 posts
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:20 pm to
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So the next best thing is to make sure we have a tightly controlled and restricted border along with drastic and severe reductions in legal immigration.


Not grounded in reality indeed. Your own fricking party will keep this from happening because they want the cheap labor.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
424688 posts
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:21 pm to
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Not grounded in reality indeed. Your own fricking party will keep this from happening because they want the cheap labor.

it's also not grounded in reality b/c (1) it ain't gonna work and (2) any system that would "work" will be prohibitively expensive

which is whatever, but it's just as much of a pipe dream as the "libertarian policy argument" that's being mocked
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