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re: Like to hear the libertarian reaction to Trump's handling of Iran...
Posted on 1/8/20 at 2:31 pm to troyt37
Posted on 1/8/20 at 2:31 pm to troyt37
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making it easier for criminal aliens to come here and stay here, while paying lip service to the conservative agenda of having a physical barrier between the citizens and the foreign invaders.
did you have O Fortuna playing in your head when you wrote this emotional diatribe?
do you have the emotional ability of a 10 year old girl?
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Posted on 1/8/20 at 2:32 pm to upgrayedd
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Yeah, God forbid the R's have a person reminding them of what they claim are their core principles
Core principles? seriously?
Rand Paul is the Eddie Rispone of foreign policy - he refuses to state any coherent principle.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 2:32 pm to Zach
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England is a nation state that protects freedom of its inhabitants. Libertarians have no problem with the protection of liberty. Violence to protect is just fine.
Remember your claim about understanding the right to property and self ownership.
Any individual property owner in England has the right to allow guests on their property who happened to pass through their mother’s vagina while on the other side of an imaginary line.
Defensive violence/force is our right. But when your neighbor has some Mexicans over for work or a party, that is not a violation of your rights, so no defensive force is warranted, and you have no right to intervene.
True libertarians do not support the violation of other people’s property rights.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 2:33 pm to Rock the Casbah
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Core principles? seriously?
Rand Paul is the Eddie Rispone of foreign policy - he refuses to state any coherent principle.
It wasn't that long ago when GWB won the presidency in part for his vow to stop being the world's police
Posted on 1/8/20 at 2:36 pm to troyt37
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Like to hear the libertarian reaction
:butwhy:
Posted on 1/8/20 at 2:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
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if your policy is to "seal the border" then even you agree that our immigration policy/laws need change.
Unreal
I will go slow for you , seal the border first then change immigration rules.
You don't say frick the rules ignore them , like the Libertarian Party openly says.
I think people who hire illegals should be jailed and fined.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 2:37 pm to upgrayedd
Notice how they always forgive the RINO's if they're pro-war but can't forgive the actual conservatives if they're anti-war.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 2:37 pm to upgrayedd
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It wasn't that long ago when GWB won the presidency in part for his vow to stop being the world's police
Not sure what this has to do with Rand Paul being a moron but ok.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 2:38 pm to SCLibertarian
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Notice how they always forgive the RINO's if they're pro-war but can't forgive the actual conservatives if they're anti-war.
It's classic Sean Hannity
Posted on 1/8/20 at 2:38 pm to troyt37
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Libertarians support the democrat agenda of open borders
No. It should be easier for people to come here and work and pay taxes. However, the free social support that the current gov't issues should be eliminated. Citizenship would still have to be applied for.
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making it easier for criminal aliens to come here and stay here
No.
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while paying lip service to the conservative agenda of having a physical barrier between the citizens and the foreign invaders.
Lip service? No Libertarian supports the wall. It's another big government spending project that will be totally ineffective.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 2:39 pm to Rock the Casbah
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Not sure what this has to do with Rand Paul being a moron but ok.
We're talking about Rand's anti interventionism FP. Keep up, pee wee.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 2:39 pm to 93and99
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You don't say frick the rules ignore them , like the Libertarian Party openly says.
link me
Posted on 1/8/20 at 2:40 pm to Rock the Casbah
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he refuses to state any coherent principle.
Rand's foreign policy positions are clear as day. You just don't like them.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 2:40 pm to TigerWhatIR
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Defensive violence/force is our right. But when your neighbor has some Mexicans over for work or a party, that is not a violation of your rights, so no defensive force is warranted, and you have no right to intervene.
Where do you draw the line on justifiable defensive violence/force? If your neighbor is George Soros and he buys 1,000 acres of barren land in Nevada and invites his friends from China over to build a nuclear missile facility on it is that OK with you? The nation state has the right to use force to defend freedom.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 2:42 pm to 93and99
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I will go slow for you , seal the border first then change immigration rules.
Do you also think we should ban/confiscate all guns until all crime ends, then allow people their right to gun ownership after?
Why do you support the violation of a certain right as a solution to a different violation of our rights?
Violation 1: Thieves steal our money to give to others (taxation for socialist/welfare programs)
Violation 2: Denial of property rights, forbidding you from having guests/workers from other countries.
These are 2 separate issues. Instead of further violating my property rights via #2, work to end violation #1 which is the root of the problem to begin with.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 2:46 pm to Zach
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Where do you draw the line on justifiable defensive violence/force? If your neighbor is George Soros and he buys 1,000 acres of barren land in Nevada and invites his friends from China over to build a nuclear missile facility on it is that OK with you? The nation state has the right to use force to defend freedom.
What right of yours does this violate?
You sound like a liberal who thinks his neighbor is a threat simply for being a gun owner.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 2:49 pm to TigerWhatIR
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What right of yours does this violate?
The shift of the US to Communism and no freedom. It happens all the time when people don't use violence to protect freedom.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 2:51 pm to Wednesday
quote:the problem with this mentality is it’s predictable. It’s how you end up with false flags by [the country which shall not be named] and the US ends up in 30 year clusterfricks on foreign soil with no benefit to the US.
But I’m not a dove. If you hit us, I want hellfire and destruction waged upon you.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 2:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
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link me
I did , didn't you read what some dumb libertarian posted on the dumb libertarian party website ?
The Libertarian Party is joke , and I will NEVER change my mind.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 2:52 pm to Zach
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There is nothing that Trump has done that is inconsistent with libertarian philosophy.
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