re: Like to hear the libertarian reaction to Trump's handling of Iran...

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Thank goodness President Trump doesn't strictly adhere to any political mold or agenda. He is like no other President I can remember in my lifetime. And I honestly believe he is doing what he believes is in the best interest of our country.

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I'll admit there's a lot to like about him. I am very disappointed though that he chose a lot for his cabinet those who he counted (and legitimately so) as Republicans who hated him and did everything they could to keep the establishment in place. I am grateful that he has chosen the mantle of "republican" while not being quite as much of a politician as the rest of them. But, I'm afraid he mostly resembles a conservative when it comes to rhetoric and a lot of his policies.

I do think he is mostly acting in what he thinks is best interest of the country. I just believe there are much better candidates than him to lead the country.

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They refuse to admit those welfare programs are never ever going to end short of a complete collapse of the United States Government.

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Wrong. Libertarians admit that welfare programs are going to lead to the collapse of the United States Government.

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Except that is never going to happen.

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So, big government Republican. Got it.

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So the next best thing is to make sure we have a tightly controlled and restricted border along with drastic and severe reductions in legal immigration.

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The Libertarian solution, which we won't try because it'd be too hard to get, won't work. So, we are going to restrict everyone's rights and make government WAY bigger.

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So, big government Republican. Got it. 

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Multiple Republicans in here basically saying to hell with abolishing welfare. But muh socialism!

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Well, well, well, well, well, (clockwork orange). Now you have shifted your position. You believe that border walls can be justified. An invasion is an immanent threat. Millions of people coming here to create a welfare based socialist state is an immanent threat. It's happening. Stopping it is a justified protection of a free society.

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Wrong, and I haven’t shifted anything.

Your definition of immanent threat (as a direct violation of your rights) includes simply having a neighbor who supports socialism/communism and you believe you have the right to use violence to expel them from their property because they MIGHT convince your neighbors to gang up and steal your stuff. What’s worse is that you are collectivizing individuals in your sadistic belief that you have the right to use violence against others for what their political beliefs might be.

My idea of immanent threat, as I already explained, is a gun in your face, or someone announcing that they’re imminently going to harm you (like, as soon as I finish building this bomb, I’m going to blow you up). But I would not ban all my neighbors from owning guns just because some might commit crimes with them.

Don’t want communists around you? Don’t sell your property to them, and encourage your neighbors to do the same.

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You don't consider the federal government taking 20 billion dollars per year from taxpayers and handing it to people who aren't even citizens of this country, harming those taxpayers

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We are talking violation of rights, not shitty fiscal policy. Try to stay on topic.

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How about the crime they commit?

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Again, not a violation of your rights in any way unless they are trespassing on your property.

For the record I am against illegal immigration and think all illegals should be deported until such time as their incentive for coming here illegally is removed. But don't make this like this is some gross violation of your individual rights. It's not.

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Decriminalizing entering this country illegally is as much an incentive to do so, as the welfare.

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No, it's not. With out the later, the former doesn't matter. So why aren't you focusing on the root cause? Because it's too hard?

Mate your picture is plastered all over the OT

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Multiple Republicans in here basically saying to hell with abolishing welfare.

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It's amazing.


I know that Libertarians' have what could be considered fringe views on many political and social topics. This week with the Iran thing is a perfect example of that. However, the appeal to me is the moral and philosophical consistency of the party. It's the only political party I've found with a compass of core values to guide them. Rs and Ds simply swing in the political breeze with their stances. A Libertarian from 30 years ago has the same core values and beliefs of a Libertarian from today. You can't say that with Rs and Ds.

probably a terrible one. which thread?

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Multiple republicans realistically looking for solutions to the problem

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So how do we address the problem realistically?

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Step 1:

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the republican party purges all the half assed conservatives

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Step 2: Control Congress.

Step 3: Profit.