re: Luca Doncic is the best 20 year old basketball player since Magic Johnson...

Posted by Hester Carries

Member since Sep 2012

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Posted on 11/19/19 at 12:12 am to SoFunnyItsNot

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for his position he's definitely a better rebounder

So do we have to say giannis is a better passer “for his position”???

Rebounding is rebounding. Positions are for fans

Also Giannis has twice as many contested rebounds per game as Luka. Which is really a more telling stat.

This post was edited on 11/19/19 at 12:16 am

Posted by Dawgsontop34

Member since Jun 2014

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Posted on 11/19/19 at 12:12 am to buckeye_vol

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Actually no. His is currently 33.7 while Lebron's was just slightly lower at 33.6.

Really surprising to me. Thought I just read that Doncic and Trae Young were 1st and 2nd in the league in dribbles or something like that so assumed his usage had to be really high. Thanks for sharing that.

Posted by buckeye_vol

Member since Jul 2014

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Posted on 11/19/19 at 12:18 am to Dawgsontop34

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Thought I just read that Doncic and Trae Young were 1st and 2nd in the league in dribbles or something like that so assumed his usage had to be really high.

I was comparing Luka's 20-21 (age) season to Lebron's usage is 30.4 this season.

Posted by Bill_M

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Posted on 11/19/19 at 12:24 am to gobuxgo5

My bad, I was thinking about minutes per game not usage rate.
In 2005/2006 when Lebron was 20 years old he averaged 42.5 minutes, Doncic is averaging just over 34 minutes.

Luca's per 48 minute rates are much higher in every category.

This post was edited on 11/19/19 at 12:26 am

Posted by buckeye_vol

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Posted on 11/19/19 at 12:25 am to gobuxgo5

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BGSU had bdubs

HAD being the key word; I think it's gone now. Anyways, I was there from 2008-2010 after undergrad, although I visited a lot in 2004-2008 since most of my high school went to either BG or Toledo and Toledo kind of sucks for partying so everybody met at BG (or came down to OSU) instead. I do look back on it more fondly (I did meet my wife there) as time progresses, and I think I unfairly judged my academic experience because it was sandwiched between OSU and UT, and my grad department was a bit weird.

Posted by buckeye_vol

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Posted on 11/19/19 at 12:29 am to Bill_M

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Luca's per 48 minute rates are much higher in every category.

But that's somewhat of bad comparison because of the increase in the pace of the game. For example, Lebron's pace during that season was 90.0 while Luka's is 99.4. So in 48 minutes Luka gets 9.4 more possesions. I think per 100 stats provide a better comparison. I posted this earlier but here are the stats per 100:

Lebron: 39.4 points, 8.8 rebounds, and 8.3 assist

Luka: 39.1 points, 11.8 rebounds, 9.0 assists

Posted by Dawgsontop34

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Posted on 11/19/19 at 12:44 am to buckeye_vol

Yeah, I didn’t explain that well.

I meant that I thought Lebron’s usage probably wasn’t quite as high then. Obviously that was incorrect.

Posted by BowlJackson

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Posted on 11/19/19 at 4:05 am to Bill_M

He's a fricking beast. I wish he Spurs could've got him somehow

Posted by SpartyGator

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Posted on 11/19/19 at 4:26 am to Bill_M

Luca GOAT

Posted by CelticDog

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Posted on 11/19/19 at 6:05 am to BowlJackson

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He's a fricking beast. I wish he Spurs could've got him somehow

when we were td-gms drafting before nba,
I wanted him first overall.

Re aau ball, he was on his national team. And they were good.
I think having to play vs croatia is at least as intense as duke v unc, or villanova v st joes.

Posted by BowlJackson

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Posted on 11/19/19 at 6:25 am to CelticDog

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when we were td-gms drafting before nba,
I wanted him first overall

I've got a friend who's a die-hard Mavs fan. He wanted Mo Bamba BAD and was initially PISSED the Mavs took Luka, he thought the Mavs should draft for need and take a C

I tried to tell him Luka had the potential to be the best player in this draft and that I was jealous because I wanted him to drop to SA bad.

Didn't take him long into last season to admit he was wrong

he listens to me now

Posted by 21JumpStreet

Member since Jul 2012

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Posted on 11/19/19 at 6:46 am to Bill_M

He's bron with no athleticness.

Posted by xiv

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Member since Feb 2004

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Posted on 11/19/19 at 6:56 am to Roger Klarvin

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Larry Bird is in everyone’s top 5 GOAT.

Not anymore.

Johnson
Jordan
James
Duncan
Russell

And Nowitzki had nearly twice the career Bird had. Bird is vastly overrated. He had a seven-year run as a top tier player. All the others above had 10+. The truth is that Bird isn’t close to any of these guys.

Posted by Drewbie

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Posted on 11/19/19 at 6:56 am to FightingTigers138

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Luca wont ever get the credit he deserves because he is white.

Took Dirk decades to get the respect he deserved. Didn't really start happening until he started passing all-time greats on the scoring list.

Posted by Boomshockalocka

Member since Feb 2004

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Posted on 11/19/19 at 7:44 am to SuperSaint

Not a great bet. Harden and Giannis will both win between 55-60 and have better numbers. Mavs will very likely be sub 50 wins. I can see Luca and bron battling it out for 3rd which would be outstanding for Luca.

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