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re: The Astros were using cameras and technology to steal signs in 2017
Posted on 11/16/19 at 9:29 am to JackVincennes
Posted on 11/16/19 at 9:29 am to JackVincennes
And I live in NOLA and have been going once a year to see them play since the days of Jose Cruz.
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Posted on 11/16/19 at 10:56 am to JackVincennes
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Magically in 2017 they led the league in strikeout ratio in the greatest hitting turnaround in history. But that had nothing to do with the cheating I guess? It’s one thing to steal some signs, it’s another to have a organizational, systematic cheating apparatus that produces numbers like these.
So how do you explain the away stats being better than the home stats?
Take JV. There’s what, maybe 1.5s between the catcher getting set and the ball being delivered? That’s probably fairly average for MLB. So this systematic cheating apparatus that completely gave the Astros an unfair advantage is going to get the sign from the outfield, radio it to the hallway behind the locker room, have the guys bang on a trash can, get the signal to the batter and have him process it to make an impact on the AB..... in less than 2 seconds.
I’d ask you to be logical, but you won’t. Won’t even add that the guys in the outfield on the cameras have to figure out which sign is the indicator so they’re calling in the correct signal. Which could technically change from inning to inning or batter to batter.
This post was edited on 11/16/19 at 10:57 am
Posted on 11/16/19 at 11:33 am to JackVincennes
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Magically in 2017 they led the league in strikeout ratio in the greatest hitting turnaround in history.
They turned over like half their everyday lineup. Do you even watch the Astros
Posted on 11/16/19 at 11:53 am to JackVincennes
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In 2015 the Astro’s led the league in strikeout ratio, in 2016 they were the second worst. Magically in 2017 they led the league in strikeout ratio
Had nothing to do with getting rid of high strikeout hitters like Jason Castro, Luis Valbuena, Colby Rasmus, Chris Carter, Carlos Gomez and adding contact oriented hitters with low strikeout rates like Josh Reddick, Brian McCann, Nori Aoki, Yuli Gurriel
This post was edited on 11/16/19 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 11/16/19 at 11:55 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
And the ones that left were Jason Castro, Chris Carter, Luis Valbuena, etc replaced by guys who were better contact hitters
Or what he said above
Or what he said above
This post was edited on 11/16/19 at 11:58 am
Posted on 11/16/19 at 12:05 pm to elprez00
The Astros cheated. They cheated in 2019 also. More than one pitcher has concluded that, they, the pitcher, was tipping pitches. Now we know what was going on.
The whistle bullshite this year was part of it.
The whistle bullshite this year was part of it.
Posted on 11/16/19 at 2:53 pm to mhc4tigers
For anyone still in denial feel free to go browse the Reddit megathread regarding this. They are constantly uploading more and more evidence. They probably have 50+ videos of evidence along with stats and even links to a person that broke down the distinct audio signature that is left behind by the noises that were created to tip pitches.
Astros fans should move through the denial phase and get to acceptance.
Now the question will be how severe the punishment will be especially since before this season a new rule was in place to stop this. Managers and GMs had to sign papers saying they were in compliance of not using video technology in their home stadiums.
Astros fans should move through the denial phase and get to acceptance.
Now the question will be how severe the punishment will be especially since before this season a new rule was in place to stop this. Managers and GMs had to sign papers saying they were in compliance of not using video technology in their home stadiums.
Posted on 11/16/19 at 3:35 pm to TiketheMiger
They may very well have cheated but I am not going to throw in the towel because people on Reddit found proof of wrongdoing. There is 100 times the bias there chomping at the bit to prove that Astros are cheaters that deserve to be banned for life. Let the official investigation play out and then we’ll see what happens.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 9:11 am to statman34
Posted on 11/17/19 at 9:15 am to WestCoastAg
I don’t really care.
I have a shirt that reads, “2017 World Series Champions.”
All my Ranger buddies, yeah, they don’t have a shirt like that.
I have a shirt that reads, “2017 World Series Champions.”
All my Ranger buddies, yeah, they don’t have a shirt like that.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 9:16 am to statman34
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They may very well have cheated but I am not going to throw in the towel because people on Reddit found proof of wrongdoing. There is 100 times the bias there chomping at the bit to prove that Astros are cheaters that deserve to be banned for life. Let the official investigation play out and then we’ll see what happens.
Reddit is a joke. It’s a bunch of sheep that prop up hot takes due to the voting mechanism giving visibility to bullshite and drowning out refuting evidence.
Remember when they “caught” the Boston Marathon bombers by dissecting pictures of the crowd?
After watching the Saints get destroyed by a bullshite smear campaign for “Bounty gate” (and how little the media or general public cares when it all proved later to be virtually baseless), I’ve learned to not jump to conclusions and wait for actual evidence. But I’ve also learned that the media pushes sensationalism and the public are idiots that drink it up so it might not even matter.
“Deflate gate” is another great example, everyone hates the Patriots (including me) so it made it easy for the public to prop up virtually no evidence and cheer at the BS suspensions that resulted. Sensationalism and PR is all that matters.
This post was edited on 11/17/19 at 9:27 am
Posted on 11/17/19 at 9:34 am to TiketheMiger
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Using video technology in their home Stadium
In 2017, the Astros were 53-28 on the road (tied for best in the Majors that year). Were they using technology at Target Field, T-Mobile Park and Globe Life Field as well?
Think about how stupid these claims are before you go all in on some BS.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 9:36 am to El Campo Tiger
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In 2017, the Astros were 53-28 on the road
Total deflection, but that's expected from Astros fans.
Them performing well on the road has absolutely nothing to do with them cheating at home.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 9:38 am to WestCoastAg
so you telling me that a team, historically a bottom feeder in their league, all of a sudden got good and won a championship, and they cheated??
i can't believe it...
honestly, i wish i could care enough about anything baseball related to be angry about this, but i just can't.... baseball sucks
i can't believe it...
honestly, i wish i could care enough about anything baseball related to be angry about this, but i just can't.... baseball sucks
Posted on 11/17/19 at 9:39 am to elprez00
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So how do you explain the away stats being better than the home stats?
This doesn’t mean they didn’t cheat?
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So this systematic cheating apparatus that completely gave the Astros an unfair advantage is going to get the sign from the outfield, radio it to the hallway behind the locker room, have the guys bang on a trash can, get the signal to the batter and have him process it to make an impact on the AB..... in less than 2 seconds.
The silly excuse...this one was already covered a couple of pages back. Keep up.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 9:40 am to FulshearTiger
Yep. The defenses the fans in here come up with make no sense.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 9:43 am to FulshearTiger
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Fulshear
Traitor. You live 30 minutes from MMP. Dafuq is wrong with you?
Also, if the Stros were cheating at home, can you explain why the Stros had a better record on the road (53-28) than at home (48-33)?
Seems like if they are cheaters, they weren’t very good at it.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 9:45 am to El Campo Tiger
Their road record in this discussion has absolutely zero relevance
If they were 48-33 at home, maybe they wouldn't have performed to that level without cheating. That is what is relevant in this discussion. Obviously, zero way to prove what would have happened had they not been cheating, but their road performance has zero relevance at all
If they were 48-33 at home, maybe they wouldn't have performed to that level without cheating. That is what is relevant in this discussion. Obviously, zero way to prove what would have happened had they not been cheating, but their road performance has zero relevance at all
Posted on 11/17/19 at 9:46 am to El Campo Tiger
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Also, if the Stros were cheating at home, can you explain why the Stros had a better record on the road (53-28) than at home (48-33)?
How many times does this get brought up. They still attempted to cheat.
Your logic says that it’s not cheating if it doesn’t work?
Posted on 11/17/19 at 9:51 am to FulshearTiger
It does have relevance, Fulshear.
If the Astros can garner a 53-28 record when they have no access to closed circuit TV technology, one could come to a conclusion that they are a great team and probably do not need to bend the rules.
If the Astros can garner a 53-28 record when they have no access to closed circuit TV technology, one could come to a conclusion that they are a great team and probably do not need to bend the rules.
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