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re: This sham of a closed hearing would be similar to this...
Posted on 10/23/19 at 9:54 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 10/23/19 at 9:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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you have to live with this when the roles are reversed. remember that.
No they won't. You know better than that. Other than under Newt, when have the Republicans in the House ever been anything other than spineless and acted like the minority party even when they were the majority?
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Posted on 10/23/19 at 9:55 am to TigerDoc
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they're operating in a two-step fashion where they're using professional staff counsel and a closed-door process for initial fact finding to keep witnesses from coordinating testimony,
this is the stated reasoning, but we all know it's to make leaking one-sided. again, look at yesterday
Posted on 10/23/19 at 9:55 am to TigerDoc
The quickest way to end this is to have Mrs. Graham subpoena the same witnesses in the senate.
Posted on 10/23/19 at 9:56 am to TigerDoc
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but we shouldn't have confidence in the process as a public until we start having public hearings.
Nothing attached to schiff should ever be trusted again.
Posted on 10/23/19 at 9:57 am to Mickey Goldmill
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I'm not married
Posted on 10/23/19 at 9:59 am to SlowFlowPro
funny, they didn't have an issue with "coordinating testimony" when Schiff's staff was putting its finger prints all over the initial WB complaint.
Posted on 10/23/19 at 10:01 am to SlowFlowPro
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this is the stated reasoning, but we all know it's to make leaking one-sided. again, look at yesterday
And if there's a lot to the other side it'll come out during impeachment process and at trial and could backfire on the Dems like the impeachment of Clinton did.
Baws have been very sanguine about that around here, though maybe a bit less so recently.
Posted on 10/23/19 at 10:03 am to Mickey Goldmill
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All I'm arguing is the legal basis for what is going on right now.
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Hearings are generally public, but they could be closed pursuant to regular House rules that allow the committee to agree, by holding a vote in public session with a majority of the committee present, to close a hearing for three specific reasons: the evidence or testimony would endanger national security, compromise sensitive law enforcement information, or would tend to “defame, degrade, or incriminate the witness.” 29 Again, the resolution authorizing an impeachment investigation could alter these procedures
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The primary mechanism by which an investigating committee can and has chosen to limit access
to inquiry information is through the use of executive—or closed—session. Under House Rule
XI, clause 2(g)(1), a committee can operate in executive session by majority vote, a quorum being
present, to restrict attendance at a business session to only committee members or others
authorized by the committee.38
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38 Clause 2(g)(1) of the rule specifies that entering into executive session is warranted when “disclosure of matters to be
considered would endanger national security, would compromise sensitive law enforcement information, would tend to
defame, degrade, or incriminate any person, or otherwise would violate a law or rule of the House.”
it seems like they're way outside of their "legal basis"
what is the committee's resolution on this matter, currently?
Posted on 10/23/19 at 10:03 am to LSUAlum2001
to build off of the premise of the OP, remember that the prosecution, in your analogy, also worked to create the key piece of "evidence".
Posted on 10/23/19 at 10:04 am to TigerDoc
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And if there's a lot to the other side it'll come out during impeachment process and at trial
unless that trial never happens and this "investigation" goes on for years
Posted on 10/23/19 at 10:05 am to SlowFlowPro
And that's what you think is happening here?
Posted on 10/23/19 at 10:05 am to Bourre
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Sounds like justice under authoritarian regimes
It's all part of the process of the End Phase going forward to its culmination.
Posted on 10/23/19 at 10:05 am to SlowFlowPro
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unless that trial never happens and this "investigation" goes on for years
It won't. They are going to lose the house next year.
Posted on 10/23/19 at 10:05 am to Mickey Goldmill
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The House rules on impeachment in PDF. Enjoy.
It appears to me that every referral to a committee must be commenced through the adoption of a resolution. Meaning a floor vote.
This has never been controversial except to throw shade to vulnerable house members.
Posted on 10/23/19 at 10:07 am to TigerDoc
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And that's what you think is happening here?
if they had the votes to impeach, they'd have done it. it's not popular enough across all the districts and puts DEM reps at risk
that's why Pelosi has fought against this for years, at this point. she knows this is a losing issue
that is why they're trying to act cute and do an "investigation". they can investigate for YEARS and protect the full information from the public and release what they want, spun how they want, for their coordinated media to display
Posted on 10/23/19 at 10:09 am to SlowFlowPro
That's a testable theory. We'll see. I don't think that's a sustainable plan politically for the Dems, but I'll check back with you on this.
Posted on 10/23/19 at 10:13 am to LSUAlum2001
What this current process does, and has always been the reason behind it, is to leak what they want to leak so the water carriers can run to the presses and set the narrative via public opinion.
Set the false narrative which then forces the other side to spend all their time debunking them. But, at that point, it doesn’t matter because the first message will always be the one that the liberals cling to no matter if it’s completely proven false.
As an example, see the Nick Sandmann & Nathan Phillips encounter.
Set the false narrative which then forces the other side to spend all their time debunking them. But, at that point, it doesn’t matter because the first message will always be the one that the liberals cling to no matter if it’s completely proven false.
As an example, see the Nick Sandmann & Nathan Phillips encounter.
Posted on 10/23/19 at 10:14 am to TigerDoc
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I don't think that's a sustainable plan politically for the Dems
well i don't know if they have a sustainable plan, currently
not that the GOP is bullet proof. it's just that the DEMs have no leadership, no directed message, and their Presidential candidates are further left than the Green party was in 2016 (oh and they're accusing that candidate of being a Russian plant even though they used her to do recounts to try to save HRC
) ALL that they have is recycling negative press on Trump
if this blows up on them next year, it's going to get BAD
Posted on 10/23/19 at 10:17 am to SlowFlowPro
Oh, I agree. Definitely would get bad.
Posted on 10/23/19 at 10:20 am to TigerDoc
EVERY time they've tried to "get Trump", once the information has been put in the public eye, it's legit blown up in their face
nothing that is being released about this Ukraine foolishness is anywhere near as damning as the reported information Meuller got on Trump...only to find out that was all made up (or "heavily filtered") and Trump was fully exonerated of collusion with Russia
the DEMs know they're only winning strategy is to make these allegations without having to show their work, having all the allegations coordinated and filtered through their media apparatus. they can say ANYTHING about Trump at that point
nothing that is being released about this Ukraine foolishness is anywhere near as damning as the reported information Meuller got on Trump...only to find out that was all made up (or "heavily filtered") and Trump was fully exonerated of collusion with Russia
the DEMs know they're only winning strategy is to make these allegations without having to show their work, having all the allegations coordinated and filtered through their media apparatus. they can say ANYTHING about Trump at that point
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