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re: This sham of a closed hearing would be similar to this...
Posted on 10/23/19 at 9:30 am to Mickey Goldmill
Posted on 10/23/19 at 9:30 am to Mickey Goldmill
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No, the house committees in charge of the impeachment inquiry are.
sorry, i meant House, not all of Congress (including Senate)
show me in the Constitution where it says one party (not entire body) gets to act as the prosecution and the other is left out of the process
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Posted on 10/23/19 at 9:32 am to Y.A. Tittle
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Right. The notion that there should ever be some secret investigative committee in Congress to "act as the DA" for impeachment purposes is completely without precedent or any constitutional backing.
yeah it's patently clear this is all just politics for politics sake and they're just trying to eliminate a real, public examination this early so they want wait until they manufacture another (hopefully more real) scandal
look at the proliferation of talking points yesterday
Posted on 10/23/19 at 9:33 am to SlowFlowPro
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The entire body of Congress is the DAs office in this analogy
No, only the House would be which is the role they play in this. They are like a prosecutor deciding if there is enough evidence to proceed. The Senate will serve as the Jury and Trump will make a defense then.
I also fully expect they will have some of these back for open hearings in the House as they will need that to get people on board. Closed hearings at the beginning are fine, but they will never be enough on their own to change minds.
Posted on 10/23/19 at 9:33 am to Mickey Goldmill
So who in your shitty analogy, represents "committee" that does all of the investigation before the "DA" or House of representatives brings its case to the Senate?
Posted on 10/23/19 at 9:34 am to SlowFlowPro
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"Grand Jury" bro
This shite wouldn't pass muster as a grand jury proceeding
Starting with the method of the selection of the GJ
Posted on 10/23/19 at 9:35 am to Mickey Goldmill
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impeachment inquiry
Where is this in the Constitution or Federal code?
Posted on 10/23/19 at 9:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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sorry, i meant House, not all of Congress (including Senate)
show me in the Constitution where it says one party (not entire body) gets to act as the prosecution and the other is left out of the process
Show me where is says every single member of the full house must be a part of any and every investigation. Those members who don't wish to push article of impeachment have no role as prosecutors in this scenario. That's for the white house counsel as the defense during the trial.
Posted on 10/23/19 at 9:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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show me in the Constitution where it says one party (not entire body) gets to act as the prosecution and the other is left out of the process
He cant. He can, however, show you where the House has this authority, but since they weren't allowed the opportunity to vote on the issue...
Posted on 10/23/19 at 9:36 am to SlowFlowPro
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show me in the Constitution where it says one party (not entire body) gets to act as the prosecution and the other is left out of the process
You and I both know that’s not in the Constitution, but we also know that it says the House makes it’s own rules and is the sole entity allowed to impeach so they can basically do it how they want. Whether or not the optics are good is another matter.
Posted on 10/23/19 at 9:36 am to roadGator
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Where is this in the Constitution or Federal code?
Lol y'all keep coming up with this. Do y'all think that every single rule is outlined line by line in the constitution? Broad powers....
This post was edited on 10/23/19 at 9:55 am
Posted on 10/23/19 at 9:36 am to Weekend Warrior79
quote:And not allowed to have copies of the proceedings.
Either way, they definitely are not allowed to participate and ask questions. Shiff has come out and made that part clear.
Any elected Republican failing to scream from the rooftops against this Soviet process is part of the Coup, IMO.
A RINO hates him? No problem. Handle it in the election.
Posted on 10/23/19 at 9:38 am to Mickey Goldmill
Everything you typed is wrong. I wont break a sweat on this because I know that if roles were reversed, you would take the exact opposite view.
The constitution gives the House authority to impeach. Not a committee, not a sub-committee, not a chairman, and certainly not a dozen partisans from the opposition party.
The constitution gives the House authority to impeach. Not a committee, not a sub-committee, not a chairman, and certainly not a dozen partisans from the opposition party.
Posted on 10/23/19 at 9:38 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Where is it written that a grand jury should/could be used to impeach a President?
"Grand Jury" bro
but it's weird that Congress is dividing this up by party. i just don't see how the "open", "transparent", or "democratic" people can support this
could you imagine if the GOP did something like this to Obama? if they did Benghazi behind closed doors without any DEM input or ability for DEMs to leak?
Posted on 10/23/19 at 9:40 am to Vacherie Saint
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Everything you typed is wrong. I wont break a sweat on this because I know that if roles were reversed, you would take the exact opposite view.
The constitution gives the House authority to impeach. Not a committee, not a sub-committee, not a chairman, and certainly not a dozen partisans from the opposition party.
Lol the House makes it own rules for impeachment bud.
Posted on 10/23/19 at 9:40 am to LSU2ALA
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You and I both know that’s not in the Constitution, but we also know that it says the House makes it’s own rules and is the sole entity allowed to impeach so they can basically do it how they want. Whether or not the optics are good is another matter.
I don't disagree with this at all, but what they are doing is still without any historical precedent whatsoever and, I would argue, is probably not a precedent we really want to establish.
Oh, well. As long as there's even a chance it can hurt the bad orange guy, that's all that matters.
Posted on 10/23/19 at 9:41 am to LSU2ALA
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No, only the House would be which is the role they play in this. They are like a prosecutor deciding if there is enough evidence to proceed
i said i was incorrect. the entire body of the HOUSE is the DA's office. i posted correct
when i say that, what i mean is, it's not a single party of the house that is the "DA". it's the ENTIRE body
Posted on 10/23/19 at 9:41 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Lol the House makes it own rules for impeachment bud.
Are you trying to say the whole house does not have to vote on the actual impeachment?
Posted on 10/23/19 at 9:41 am to Vacherie Saint
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The constitution gives the House authority to impeach. Not a committee, not a sub-committee, not a chairman, and certainly not a dozen partisans from the opposition party.
The problem with your argument is the House has not impeached. It will take a full vote of the House which passes by majority vote for the President to be impeached. They are merely in the investigation stage which they are allowed to do as they wish as the House conducts business under its rules that it sets. Both chambers do in fact.
Posted on 10/23/19 at 9:41 am to udtiger
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This shite wouldn't pass muster as a grand jury proceeding
it basically already had that and failed the review to even send it to GJ, so yeah
Posted on 10/23/19 at 9:42 am to cajunangelle
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Where is it written that a grand jury should/could be used to impeach a President?
The president hasn't been and can't be impeached by a grand jury, committee, sub-committee, etc.
He can only be impeached by a full house vote.
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