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Least-Favorite Peter Jackson changes to Lord of the Rings
Posted on 10/3/19 at 11:49 am
Posted on 10/3/19 at 11:49 am
I recently re-read the trilogy and re-watched the three films (extended versions). obviously there are many differences, most of which were made necessary by the cinematic format. But I thought it would be interesting to see what changes were most significant to others.
For me, the worst change was Jackson choosing to kill Saruman at Orthanc and thereby excluding the Scouring of the Shire from the films.
To me, the Scouring of the Shire was a physical manifestation of the internal growth of all four hobbit characters.
In the films, I had hopes that we would see this episode, when we saw it foreshadowed in the Mirror of Galadriel at Lothlorien. After seeing the film in the theater, I still hoped ot would be included in an extended DVD version, with a villain other than Saruman.
Instead, we simply saw Frodo, Sam, Merry and Pippin riding home, looking wealthy and symbolically looking down from their ponies at all the hobbits around them with self-satisfied smiles on their faces. I was greatly disappointed.
EDIT: Let’s keep the three Hobbit films out of this discussion, as Jackson’s missteps in those films would overwhelm the discussion.
For me, the worst change was Jackson choosing to kill Saruman at Orthanc and thereby excluding the Scouring of the Shire from the films.
To me, the Scouring of the Shire was a physical manifestation of the internal growth of all four hobbit characters.
In the films, I had hopes that we would see this episode, when we saw it foreshadowed in the Mirror of Galadriel at Lothlorien. After seeing the film in the theater, I still hoped ot would be included in an extended DVD version, with a villain other than Saruman.
Instead, we simply saw Frodo, Sam, Merry and Pippin riding home, looking wealthy and symbolically looking down from their ponies at all the hobbits around them with self-satisfied smiles on their faces. I was greatly disappointed.
EDIT: Let’s keep the three Hobbit films out of this discussion, as Jackson’s missteps in those films would overwhelm the discussion.
This post was edited on 10/3/19 at 11:56 am
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Posted on 10/3/19 at 11:52 am to AggieHank86
Scouring of the Shire not being included stinks but it would have added another 30 minutes. 
I thought the Aragorn is dead scene was pointless since he showed back up 2 seconds later.
I thought the Aragorn is dead scene was pointless since he showed back up 2 seconds later.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 11:54 am to AggieHank86
I hate that they didn't have the Scouring of the Shire but the absolute worst change he made was Merry saying "My lady" after Eowyn picks up him and puts him on her horse while the Riders of Rohan are leaving Helms Deep.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 11:58 am to AggieHank86
No Tom Bombadil.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 11:58 am to AggieHank86
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This post was edited on 5/3/21 at 8:47 pm
Posted on 10/3/19 at 12:01 pm to AggieHank86
I think the BEST decision he ever made was not having Sauron show up to the final battle, because that was his original plan.
People would have been like WTF!!
People would have been like WTF!!
Posted on 10/3/19 at 12:17 pm to AggieHank86
The ADHD audience already complains about the length of ROTK; I can't imagine what they would be like if the Scouring of the Shire was in there.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 12:17 pm to AggieHank86
Agree with no Tom Bombadil as my biggest complaint.
Didn't he give Arwen a bigger part? I didn't care for that.
Didn't he give Arwen a bigger part? I didn't care for that.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 12:18 pm to AggieHank86
Elves at Helm’s Deep. Completely unnecessary and also stupid as it goes against one of the major themes of LotR (that the Elves - even those who had not yet gone into the West - had pretty much abandoned the fate of Middle Earth to Men).
Posted on 10/3/19 at 12:30 pm to TigerMyth36
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Scouring of the Shire not being included stinks but it would have added another 30 minutes
Meh, I'm fine with Frodo and the gang going back to happy Shire and not PTSD Shire.
This post was edited on 10/3/19 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 10/3/19 at 12:34 pm to AggieHank86
Turning Gimli into a bumbling idiot for comedic purposes. Tolkien's dwarves are generally quite serious and stern and Gimli isn't an exception. Of the "good" races of middle earth they have one of the most tragic histories. Them and the men of Gondor are the main two who have continuously been at war with factions of Sauron.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 12:36 pm to AggieHank86
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EDIT: Let’s keep the three Hobbit films out of this discussion, as Jackson’s missteps in those films would overwhelm the discussion.
I know you didn't want to include Hobbit discussion so I don't mean to hijack the thread but to be fair to Jackson a lot of what happened with that trilogy wasn't his fault. The fact that it was stretched out into a trilogy at all and the fact that he was brought in super late to the process are two examples.
This post was edited on 10/4/19 at 10:23 am
Posted on 10/3/19 at 12:47 pm to Rattlehead82
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Didn't he give Arwen a bigger part? I didn't care for that.
Yeah, he used Arwen to get Frodo across the river in to Rivendell instead of Glorfindel.
I hated that at first, but I've come to be OK with it. Liv Tyler is hot, a decent actress, and her "If you want him, come and take him" line is pretty damn good.
For me, Faramir bringing Frodo and Sam back to Minas Tirith, then letting them go after the Nazghul attack didn't make any sense. I'm still not sure what the point of that change was.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 12:51 pm to LB84
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Turning Gimli into a bumbling idiot for comedic purposes.
I guess I had blocked this out. Yes, this pissed me off.
Gimli was as much of a badass as Legolas, Boromir, or even Aragorn. Comic releif was not needed.
Doing the same with Rhadaghast the Brown was also stupid.
Fellowship is a damned near perfect movie. Towers and Return get slightly more silly and CGI'ey. You could tell Jackson was losing sight of the feel and message of the novels and making more "audience inclusive" films.
frick the general public. If you're one of the ignorant unwashed who don't read, we shouldn't have to see epic books dumbed down to attract you.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 1:18 pm to LB84
I, too, hate Gimli as comic relief.
As a reader, I always took the Dwarves seriously, and saw them as being in the fight, too. Along those lines, why not even a mention of Dain Ironfoot and the Dwarves of the Iron Hills keeping up the fight in the East?
As a reader, I always took the Dwarves seriously, and saw them as being in the fight, too. Along those lines, why not even a mention of Dain Ironfoot and the Dwarves of the Iron Hills keeping up the fight in the East?
Posted on 10/3/19 at 1:28 pm to SpqrTiger
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I, too, hate Gimli as comic relief. As a reader, I always took the Dwarves seriously, and saw them as being in the fight, too. Along those lines, why not even a mention of Dain Ironfoot and the Dwarves of the Iron Hills keeping up the fight in the East?
I think someone could make a excellent single movie being true to the lore on the Battle of Dale and siege of the Lonely Mountain.
Gandalf upon hearing of the victory of the Lonely Mountain and Dale against the Easterlings.
"Think of what might have been. Dragon-fire and savage swords in Eriador, night in Rivendell. There might be no Queen in Gondor. We might now hope to return from the victory here only to ruin and ash." - Gandalf Appendix A
Posted on 10/3/19 at 1:31 pm to TheTideMustRoll
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Elves at Helm’s Deep. Completely unnecessary and also stupid as it goes against one of the major themes of LotR (that the Elves - even those who had not yet gone into the West - had pretty much abandoned the fate of Middle Earth to Men).
Wow, had never thought about this before.
A few brief points
- It didnt convey the love that Boromir actually had for Frodo. In the movie it seems like Boromir is lusting for the ring all the time and only at the end apologizes for what he's done. You think negatively about him for the most part. In the books you get the sense that he actually loved Frodo (was joking around with him quite a bit) and it was one moment of change that caused him to go after the ring. You think positively about him for the most part.
- Glorfindale not getting any love. It was him that carried off Frodo after he was stabbed by the witch king. He was such a great character.
- Gandalf was not a push over. He was so much more powerful and badass than the movie made it seem. Personally I think Gandalf could have beat Sauron one on one. Wouldnt have made much of a story but I think he had the power. He was one of only two people to have ever killed a Balrog.
- Possibly my biggest gripe is how they portrayed Faramir. That is a lot of peoples favorite character in the books because he is just awesome. No other way to put it. Much more of a badass and he never wants the ring. The movies make him seem weak and desire the ring.
I love the Scouring of the Shire but I understand why it wasnt included.
This post was edited on 10/3/19 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 10/3/19 at 1:37 pm to iwyLSUiwy
quote:For me, this one is almost up there with the Scouring of the Shire. The development of his relationship with Eowyn, and the way that Aragorn's work in the House of Healing HER Gondor to accept him as King.
Possibly my biggest gripe is how they portrayed Faramir. That is a lot of peoples favorite character in the books because he is just awesome. No other way to put it. Much more of a badass and he never wants the ring. The movies make him seem weak and desire the ring.
This post was edited on 10/3/19 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 10/3/19 at 1:41 pm to MFn GIMP
Merry was the original fedora man
Posted on 10/3/19 at 1:45 pm to TheTideMustRoll
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Elves at Helm’s Deep. Completely unnecessary and also stupid as it goes against one of the major themes of LotR (that the Elves - even those who had not yet gone into the West - had pretty much abandoned the fate of Middle Earth to Men).
I understand the theme but disagree that it was stupid. I thought that added gravity to it that they broke their theme to help men with one stand against Sauron
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