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Mohammad Ali a draft dodger?

Posted on 9/17/19 at 2:49 am
Posted by TheHarper
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Posted on 9/17/19 at 2:49 am
thoughts?
Posted by Doctor Strangelove
Member since Feb 2018
2964 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 2:52 am to
Yes, it’s true.
Posted by Ted2010
Member since Oct 2010
38958 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 3:26 am to
I hear we also landed on the moon.
Posted by maizegoblue
Florida
Member since Jan 2011
1808 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 3:27 am to
What are we looking for here? That's why he changed his name. One of the dumbest/funniest stories was my Dad pissing next to him at the final 4. Said dude was a vegetable back in 2000, sad stuff.
Posted by stelly1025
Lafayette
Member since May 2012
8539 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 3:52 am to
He was a conscientious objector.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124186 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 4:24 am to
quote:

thoughts?
Ali immersed himself in Islam. That part was no sham or stunt. He was neither educated nor particularly bright, but he was religious.

Motivation of some of the characters he became associated with were not so pure. They convinced him, his profession and centuries of Islamic murderous jihad notwithstanding, that Islam was a religion of peace, and that he should not take part in warfare while being true to his faith.

Nonetheless, Ali was certainly aware of the significant social side to his stance.
Vietnam was an ugly episode.
Even more so for black Americans in the early going though.

At the time, blacks made up 11.0% of the young male population nationwide, and similarly made up about 11.0% of our Vietnam force. But once they were drafted, they were skewed heavily into combat units. As a result, black casualties soared to over 20% of total dead/wounded through 1966 -- double the individual white rate.

Black leaders protested, justifiably.

Ali played a significant part in elevating their voice. Concomitant to the government's prosecution of Ali for draft evasion, LBJ ordered black combat participation be more correctly apportioned. By 1969 the black casualty rate was cut to 11.5% and remained roughly proportionate to participation for the rest of the war.

Without Ali, would LBJ have taken that action? Who knows. But tossing Ali in a pot with coward draft dodgers is not fair at all IMO.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42787 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 4:40 am to
quote:

thoughts?


Not a draft dodger - he took no nefarious actions to avoid the draft - he just said = 'I aint going" = he was straightforward and up front with his objection to the war on the basis of not wanting to kill.

Unfair to compare him to asshats who fled the country, got phone medical diagnoses, etc.

I think he was an honest, simple man. True 'draft dodgers' - not so much.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67497 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 5:29 am to
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Mohammad Ali a draft dodger?

Not according to the SCOTUS......9-0
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89618 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 6:45 am to
quote:

thoughts?


Now, let's wait just a second. I don't agree with his stance. But, he didn't run to Canada. He didn't fish for deferments. He didn't play games, politically. He declined induction and asked they take him to jail. More significantly, he declined induction in 1966, well before it was the fashionable thing to do.

Had he accepted induction, he would have been a prizefighter for the Army, giving exhibition matches with, essentially, sparring partners, 3 rounds at a time at military bases all over the world.

Again, I do not agree with his stance, but I respect it.
Posted by scrooster
Resident Ethicist
Member since Jul 2012
37734 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 6:51 am to
I was living in Pleasure Ridge Park, just off the Waterson Expressway, in Louisville when all this went down and I remember his declaration that he was changing his name from Cassius Clay to Mohammed Ali ... and why.

Yes, he was a draft dodger but he was always a very smart savvy PR and standup guy. He wasn't your typical coward draft dodger.

He was the Barrack Obama of his day really. Drew the same type of praise from the same type of people but, imho, he was never the raging lying hypocrite that Obama is. He wasn't a politician .... he was a Pied Piper.

I met him one time, in Memphis, and as big as I am at 6'3" with big hands and feet .... when I shook his hand his hand engulfed mine and his smile and charm immediately puts you at ease.

I have long considered him a one of a kind human being.

Posted by GeorgePaton
God's Country
Member since May 2017
4495 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 7:14 am to
Cassius Clay was a great boxer. An amazing athlete. As amazing as he was, Joe Frazier was the only guy to ever knock him down. What a devestating punch. Mike Tyson would have been impressed. That was the glory days of heavyweight boxing. George Foreman was always (and still is) my favorite.

Heck I don't even know who the current heavyweight champion of world is. Do we even have one? Boxing has been taken over by this Pay-Per-View b/s. Priced the average fan right out of the sport.
This post was edited on 9/17/19 at 7:21 am
Posted by NikolaiJakov
Moscow
Member since Mar 2014
2803 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 7:22 am to
Everything Cassius Clay ever did was what was best for Cassius Clay's ego, even his conversion to Islam.
Posted by La Place Mike
West Florida Republic
Member since Jan 2004
28840 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 7:28 am to
Yes
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
12032 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 7:31 am to
Of course he is. He was a darling of the left wasn't he.
The left doesn't make heroes of those who fight for the country, unless they desert. Bergdahl!
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 8:03 am to
"Champ, what did you think of Africa?" Ali replied, "Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat!"
Posted by Champagne
Already Conquered USA.
Member since Oct 2007
48490 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 8:34 am to
Ali did no wrong in that regard, IMHO.

He did pay a heavy professional price for his action, so, in hindsight, it was a bad professional move. It hurt his boxing career.
This post was edited on 9/17/19 at 8:36 am
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 10:00 am to
He didnt "dodge".
He was a man about it.

Trump was a draft dodger.

Ali publicly refused to kill brown people at the behest of white people.

Trump never admitted he was hiding from the action.
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 10:05 am to
My dad refused to call him Mohammad Ali.
He always we t with Casius Clay.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112605 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 10:48 am to
His best quote from that time period:
'I pay enough taxes from my fights to pay for a tank.'
Posted by ELVIS U
Member since Feb 2007
9940 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 10:50 am to
He was, but he was also the greatest boxer ever, so.....
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