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re: Nola Article..New Orleans losing its soul
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:37 am to Anaximander
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:37 am to Anaximander
Post Katrina we had a real opportunity to modernize (as much as you can here) and address most of our underlying problems. There was widespread optimism across the city, along with an influx of federal money and people from around the country, willing to work and help. Education had a blank slate and was test lab for the school choice movement. We had funding to make repairs to infrastructure that had been neglected for 50 years.
Instead we neutered our police department, misappropriated funding, and aligned government with the same failed principles as before. The city is overrun with criminals and vagrants. Public services are extremely mismanaged and at times, unavailable. Residents are taxed at an obscenely disproportionate rate. Our insurance rates are absurd. It now floods when you get more than 2 " of rain in an hour. Public education is still failing. The new airport is a disaster. Very few vote or care to vote (or speak up about the malpractice being committed by our elected officials).
You have to be crazy to live here.
Instead we neutered our police department, misappropriated funding, and aligned government with the same failed principles as before. The city is overrun with criminals and vagrants. Public services are extremely mismanaged and at times, unavailable. Residents are taxed at an obscenely disproportionate rate. Our insurance rates are absurd. It now floods when you get more than 2 " of rain in an hour. Public education is still failing. The new airport is a disaster. Very few vote or care to vote (or speak up about the malpractice being committed by our elected officials).
You have to be crazy to live here.
This post was edited on 8/28/19 at 11:40 am
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Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:37 am to dallaslsufan
Let's talk about the author, Lolis Eric Elie.
Elie was the OG race pimp columnist for the T-P. He taught Jarvis everything he knows - Jarvis basically became the race columnist after Elie left to write for Treme, then move to Hollywood.
Elie loves to write about how bad black people have it in New Orleans, and it's all because of racism.
Elie is from NOLA, so I've give him that. His dad was an attorney and his mom had a doctorate in Education and was a high school principal. He graduated from Ben Franklin and had a full ride to Wharton and then a master's in journalism from Columbia. This cat oozes privilege.
The "culture" we are supposedly losing? I doubt he ever saw it growing up as a kid in uptown.
This clown left. That's his right. But now he's gonna talk about how others are taking over, and making it worse? You lost that right when you left.
He's real salty about the Georges buying it, and telling Jarvis to hit the road.
Elie was the OG race pimp columnist for the T-P. He taught Jarvis everything he knows - Jarvis basically became the race columnist after Elie left to write for Treme, then move to Hollywood.
Elie loves to write about how bad black people have it in New Orleans, and it's all because of racism.
Elie is from NOLA, so I've give him that. His dad was an attorney and his mom had a doctorate in Education and was a high school principal. He graduated from Ben Franklin and had a full ride to Wharton and then a master's in journalism from Columbia. This cat oozes privilege.
The "culture" we are supposedly losing? I doubt he ever saw it growing up as a kid in uptown.
This clown left. That's his right. But now he's gonna talk about how others are taking over, and making it worse? You lost that right when you left.
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The loss of newspaper is apparently ruining the city as well..
He's real salty about the Georges buying it, and telling Jarvis to hit the road.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:38 am to dallaslsufan
quote:They say that as if it's a bad thing. I don't get it.
The city has become less populous, more white, richer at its historic center
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:39 am to LSUFanHouston
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LSUFanHouston
Spot on.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:41 am to doublecutter
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The worst thing to happen to New Orleans was Katrina, it changed the whole fabric of the city.
I could not disagree more. Katrina saved this city, in a lot of ways.
Compare 2019 to 2004.
We have a long way to go, but...
The schools are better
The infrastructure is better (roads especially)
Downtown/Warehouse district is getting act together
Our politicians are less corrupt
More and better restaurants
There is one exception. Man, do I wish Pennington would not have run for mayor in 2002. If he doesn't, Nagin probably keeps him on as police chief. Pennington ran a tight force and improved it greatly, which made our crime situation a lot better. The post-Katrina looting would have looked real different if he was in charge then. We also probably don't end up with the shortages, and the consent decree, if he was still around.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:41 am to LSUFanHouston
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He's real salty about the Georges buying it, and telling Jarvis to hit the road.
But, he was cool with a national media corporation running it as little more than a shell outfit, for several years prior, so long as the rest of their 22-year-old, just-out-of-journalism-school from out of town writers, who constituted pretty much the entirety of the "shell", toed the line he liked.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:43 am to dallaslsufan
New Orleans doesnt have a soul it just eats and condemns souls.
“...and it’s been the ruin of many a poor boy, and God I know I’m one”
“...and it’s been the ruin of many a poor boy, and God I know I’m one”
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:45 am to Y.A. Tittle
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But, he was cool with a national media corporation running it as little more than a shell outfit, for several years prior, so long as the rest of their 22-year-old, just-out-of-journalism-school from out of town writers, who constituted pretty much the entirety of the "shell", toed the line he liked.
He left before T-P really turned to shite. In 2009 it was still a respectable paper.
But you are right. Guess who most of their reporters were toward the end?? The same northeast white kids who are gentrifying the city.
The T-Ps hiring practices directly were part of the gentrification he rails about.
Further proof that liberals don't understand cause and effect.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:45 am to tigahbruh
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New Orleans' raison d'etre is commerce and capitalism. Once residents decided it was more about music and food (and hence tourism/hospitality), the death knell sounded.
Exactly this. Go talk to an old time New Orleanian about how the city used to be. Before it was just Disneyland for adults. The city was an actual functioning economic engine based around the port. A place with a real middle class. My father always worked on the river. His father was a longshoreman. Me, I’m just another Louisiana transplant in Texas. That’s just how it goes.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:47 am to dallaslsufan
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The city has become less populous, less black, more white, richer
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:48 am to notiger1997
go back and look at the demographics from 1950-60 of the neighborhoods that are being gentrified...bet they don't want to admit that...
these out of towners are settling in NOLA and raising families, they're going to want public schools that actually educate their children...
as far as "culture" is concerned...Derrick Tabb and the Roots of Music are doing more to preserve the musical culture AND to fight poverty than this OP ever did!!!!
these out of towners are settling in NOLA and raising families, they're going to want public schools that actually educate their children...
as far as "culture" is concerned...Derrick Tabb and the Roots of Music are doing more to preserve the musical culture AND to fight poverty than this OP ever did!!!!
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:52 am to biglego
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Exactly this. Go talk to an old time New Orleanian about how the city used to be. Before it was just Disneyland for adults. The city was an actual functioning economic engine based around the port. A place with a real middle class. My father always worked on the river. His father was a longshoreman. Me, I’m just another Louisiana transplant in Texas. That’s just how it goes.
New Orleans was built for the economy of a different time. You talk about the port. In the 70s and 80s and into the 90s, cities that were closer to the water (such as Galveston and Charleston) invested heavily in port facilities. NOLA didn't do shite - not only in direct port investment, but in many of the supporting fields such as law and finance. The fat cats were obese and couldn't see past their fat stomachs, and refused to change. By the time the port woke up and realized what was happening, they lost a ton of business. They are trying again now, but today's port economies are more equipment and logistics, and less longshoremen.
Same with oil. Texas and Louisiana were position to be twins in the energy market - Texas for onshore, LA for offshore. Texas welcomed new businessmen to come down and set up competition, knowing that it would grow the pie. Louisiana did everything they could to shut out competition and keep the good ole boys in power. So the new kids said F it we will go to Houston. When the oil game was forced to consolidate and modernize after the bust, the only people with the visionary skills to do so where the ones LA told to F off, and they went to Houston, and Houston became the king of both on shore and off shore.
New Orleans didn't become a tourism-first economy by choice. It became that way because the economic leaders, having bought the politicians, did everything they could to stifle growth and innovation. When they lost it all, tourism was the only thing left.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:55 am to LSUFanHouston
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New Orleans didn't become a tourism-first economy by choice. It became that way because the economic leaders, having bought the politicians, did everything they could to stifle growth and innovation. When they lost it all, tourism was the only thing left.
At the end of the day, it was more choice than happenstance.
Short-sighted choices with an all but inevitable outcome are still choices.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:56 am to notiger1997
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Lakeview
Lakeshore
Lake Vista (basically everywhere between Robert E Lee and the lake from 17th street canal to UNO).
These are suburbs that happen to be within Orleans Parish limits. More comparable to Metairie, Old Jefferson, certain northshore communities than anything "urban" in the parish. They do retain local culture, but in the same way as the surrounding parish suburbs do.
Upper Garden District still has some old NO bluebloods but is increasingly being overrun by Nolier than thou transplant Yankees who wouldnt know actual New Orleans culture if it slapped them across the face.
Mid City (Which may not be white majority, btw- very mixed) is the last bastion in the city limits of any real New Orleans culture. It too, sadly, has seen encroachment by the Phony Nolies. The recent cryfest over the Jesuit bridgewas spearheaded by these generic hipsters.
Black New Orleans culture is still strong in many neighborhoods that most of the white nolaphiles would fear to tread (but wouldnt admit it)
New Orleans culture is near dead. Sorry, it was fun while it lasted.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:57 am to LSUFanHouston
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Posted on 8/28/19 at 12:03 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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At the end of the day, it was more choice than happenstance.
Short-sighted choices with an all but inevitable outcome are still choices.
Well, what I meant was, no one set out to say, hey, let's screw our two main economic engines and replace them with tourism.
But, the poor choices they made regarding those two economic engines, led to their destruction, which led to tourism being the only thing left.
Choices have consequences, no doubt about that.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 12:10 pm to cahoots
I agree that Georges taking over the TP has been a total disaster. Everyone is very disappointed. Before this, one could rant and rave anonymously to what was a huge audience. Back in the day, it was the BEST. Since Georges took over you must log on with facebook (no thanks) and the pop up ads make the online paper unreadable.
As far as the city itself, i've been here over 60 years and can absolutely, with all confidence and truth say that its BETTER THAN EVER. It's becoming better every year.
As far as the city itself, i've been here over 60 years and can absolutely, with all confidence and truth say that its BETTER THAN EVER. It's becoming better every year.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 12:13 pm to Picayuner
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As far as the city itself, i've been here over 60 years and can absolutely, with all confidence and truth say that its BETTER THAN EVER. It's becoming better every year.
I was walking around the CBD yesterday after lunch talking with a buddy about all of the new construction/renovations that are still going on in that area and the warehouse district, not to mention what is happening in neighborhoods all over the city.
Still blows my mind that people are buying up those expensive arse condos that are still going up.
Can't wait to see what the new Four Seasons looks like when it's completed next year.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 12:15 pm to LSUFanHouston
Call it choice or call it the default position after making bad choices, either way the result was the same. Nola becomes an unserious city catering to tourists.
Growing up, I really don’t remember residents being so self-aware of their kitschy culture.
I don’t recall the caricature. I think that mostly came after Katrina with the outpouring of fluer de lis everywhere and Who Dat etc.
Growing up, I really don’t remember residents being so self-aware of their kitschy culture.
I don’t recall the caricature. I think that mostly came after Katrina with the outpouring of fluer de lis everywhere and Who Dat etc.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 12:19 pm to doublecutter
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The worst thing to happen to Baton Rouge was Katrina, it changed the whole fabric of the city.
FIFY
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