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re: Nola Article..New Orleans losing its soul
Posted on 8/28/19 at 4:13 pm to LSUFanHouston
Posted on 8/28/19 at 4:13 pm to LSUFanHouston
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New Orleans was built for the economy of a different time. You talk about the port. In the 70s and 80s and into the 90s, cities that were closer to the water (such as Galveston and Charleston) invested heavily in port facilities. NOLA didn't do shite - not only in direct port investment, but in many of the supporting fields such as law and finance. The fat cats were obese and couldn't see past their fat stomachs, and refused to change. By the time the port woke up and realized what was happening, they lost a ton of business. They are trying again now, but today's port economies are more equipment and logistics, and less longshoremen.
Same with oil. Texas and Louisiana were position to be twins in the energy market - Texas for onshore, LA for offshore. Texas welcomed new businessmen to come down and set up competition, knowing that it would grow the pie. Louisiana did everything they could to shut out competition and keep the good ole boys in power. So the new kids said F it we will go to Houston. When the oil game was forced to consolidate and modernize after the bust, the only people with the visionary skills to do so where the ones LA told to F off, and they went to Houston, and Houston became the king of both on shore and off shore.
New Orleans didn't become a tourism-first economy by choice. It became that way because the economic leaders, having bought the politicians, did everything they could to stifle growth and innovation. When they lost it all, tourism was the only thing left.
That's a great post.
Let me drop this little gem of an article from July 1978.
New Orleans: I Have Seen the Future, and It's Houston
This article should be it's own thread.
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For many who love New Orleans, the changes that accompany commercial growth inspire fear—but in the meantime the city's economy stagnates and its population declines
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Posted on 8/28/19 at 4:43 pm to dallaslsufan
I’ll believe it when the idiots in the mayors office are white
Posted on 8/28/19 at 4:46 pm to BRich
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While Katrina may have accelerated the projcess, this change was really happening well before Katrina.
I don't ride in parades. Trying to remember things as I thought they were, 15 years ago, right after graduating college and attending many Mardi Gras parades, well, rather intoxicated... I appreciate the data here.
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The only BIG new one in New Orleans since Katrina is Nyx (2012)
True. It "seems" (i.e. can't back up with hard numbers) that the large krewes have grown in population since Katrina, though. For example, I don't recall Thoth being as big before Katrina as it is now, Muses, etc.
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In Jefferson Parish, the decline also started well before Katrina, they weren't "mostly growing", the decline started as early as 1999 (the last year of a full, "every day" schedule).
By your list, there were no krewes lost between 00 and 04. Mercury died in 05. Whereas, a lot of krewes died after 05.
Perhaps the decline in JP was starting before Katrina, but Katrina accelerated it, right? And the opposite for the city. Even if you suggest the growth was starting before Katrina, the storm accelereated the growth.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 4:47 pm to CarrolltonTiger
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This post was edited on 1/21/20 at 9:02 am
Posted on 8/28/19 at 4:47 pm to Cdawg
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Let me drop this little gem of an article from July 1978.
New Orleans: I Have Seen the Future, and It's Houston
This article should be it's own thread.
That article is a great find.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 5:04 pm to Cdawg
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Let me drop this little gem of an article from July 1978.
New Orleans: I Have Seen the Future, and It's Houston
Holy hell. What an article.
Reminds all of us that while we like to attribute the city's fall to the oil bust, there were a lot of problems before that.
And "the gentry" commentary in that article is exactly what I was referring to. Growth meant challenges to power, and that was unacceptable.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 5:06 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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How did a place like Atlanta avoid the same fate as a metro area? More area to expand outward in their flight?
The metro Atlanta area experienced white flight, just like New Orleans did. However, metro Atlanta as a whole (unlike New Orleans) has experienced ridiculous amounts of growth from people moving in from elsewhere.
Growth in all directions, of all types. I lived there in the late 80s and early 90s. I go back there and it is totally different:
1. "In town" areas have redeveloped tremendously. Places like the old Atlantic Steel Mills are now skyscrapers and urban living. Buckhead's skyline alone is now bigger than those of places like Nashville or Orlando.
And redevelopment happens continuously. Since I lived there, the Falcons moved to the Georgia Dome, which was then torn down and replaced with the Mercedes-Benz Stadium. And the Braves moved to Turner Field, spent 20 years there, and then moved out to Sun Trust Park out in Cobb County.
2. With no natural boundaries, the developed area grows outward. While I was there, suburban Gwinnett County, just northwest of the I-285 Perimeter loop highway, was the fastest growing county in the country; it really marked the edge of development. The next county up the road was sleepy Forsyth, which was the scene of some protests and clashes because there were essentially no blacks living in the county back in the 1980s. The 1990 census showed that only 14 blacks, 635 Hispanics and 81 Asians lived in Forsyth — less than 2 percent of the population, then about 44,000.
By the 2010 census, 7,289 blacks, 15,341 Hispanics, and 8,945 Asians lived in the county — about 18 percent of a population that almost quadrupled, to 174,520.
That's some crazy growth, the kind New Orleans has never seen and will likely never see.
This post was edited on 1/3/22 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 8/28/19 at 5:06 pm to scott8811
quote:Like where? You miss the decay and bricks to the head while taking out your garbage of the 1990's Bywater?
I barley recognize some of my most loved parts of my hometown
Posted on 8/28/19 at 5:11 pm to doublecutter
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The worst thing to happen to Baton Rouge was Katrina, it changed the whole fabric of the city.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 8:40 pm to Jake88
You can still take a brick to the head in bywater.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 8:41 pm to hombreman9
Now waiting around to see if a thread will be started about the Assessor giving himself a break on his recent reassessments.
Can't make this shite up.
Can't make this shite up.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 10:03 pm to doublecutter
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The worst thing to happen to New Orleans was Katrina, it changed the whole fabric of the city.
Katrina didn't just negatively affect NO
It also changed BR & Houston (and obviously Biloxi)
Posted on 8/28/19 at 10:05 pm to dallaslsufan
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"The city has become less populous, less black, more white
I live in New Orleans and it still looks pretty freaking black to me. It ain't white mecca over here.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 10:11 pm to lsusteve1
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Katrina didn't just negatively affect NO
It also changed BR & Houston
I'm assuming it's the same on a much smaller scale in Tuscaloosa.
The April 27, 2011 tornado ripped through Tuscaloosa and ripped up many neighborhoods and whole parts of town. One of those areas was a below average to much below average economic area of town. (wasn't the "worst" area, though) Since then, those residents have relocated on otherwise decent areas of town in newly sprung up section 8 apartments, etc. Much to many people's dismay.
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