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re: Ed Orgeron meddles with the offense?
Posted on 8/6/19 at 8:56 am to Penrod
Posted on 8/6/19 at 8:56 am to Penrod
this article is not about “meddling.”
Yes, we all know O’s meddling in 2017 cost the Troy game, but this article has nothing to do with that. It’s water under the bridge at this point.
There’s no need to stir shite. Just because Ree does it to pump O doesn’t mean you have to.
Yes, we all know O’s meddling in 2017 cost the Troy game, but this article has nothing to do with that. It’s water under the bridge at this point.
There’s no need to stir shite. Just because Ree does it to pump O doesn’t mean you have to.
This post was edited on 8/6/19 at 8:57 am
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Posted on 8/6/19 at 8:59 am to Penrod
Wonder if the same people here bitching about this are the same people bitching about Miles doing this exact same thing?
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:42 am to Penrod
Dabo doesn't touch his defense I don't think.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:43 am to TheCaterpillar
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Dabo doesn't touch his defense I don't think.
According to this board he doesn’t touch then offense either.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:54 am to GeauxTigerTM
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why is it that there seems to be no blame
Because that doesn't make the team any better. It's best to simply move on and try to get better coaches.
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why is it we seem to have not done the due diligence
Sometimes people make mistakes. It wasn't even that bad of a mistake.
Big deal.
Onward, through the fog...
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:59 am to bigosports
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They are 100% correct. Ed O completely cost us the Troy game by "eliminating" the motion that is the center of Canada's play calling. Not to mention coaching scared against Alabama for three years.
That does beg the question that if LSU is so much more talented than Troy and Canada was such an offensive genius, why did he not know how to offensively beat Troy? Did reducing the frequency of motion eliminate his ability to beat a second tier team?
I also find it interesting that Canada has never spoken publicly about what happened in the whole Troy debacle.
ETA: I'm not relieving O of culpability either. The whole situation was obviously handled poorly and was completely FUBAR'd.
This post was edited on 8/6/19 at 10:04 am
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:59 am to Penrod
I don't think Ed "meddles" in the intricacies of the offense. He has no background whatsoever as an offensive coach or playcaller. He would be completely out of his element on the offensive side of the ball.
That said, he also knows as HC that he is responsible for the ENTIRE program. Not just the DL. He will pay the ultimate price (i.e. lose his job) if the offense sucks, even though he had nothing whatsoever to do with gameplanning and play calling. Thus, when it's his job on the line, he's going to go with what he is comfortable with. His "comfort" was the USC offense he observed during his time there, and the Miami offense before that. Both are different from the modern spread or RPO styles.
Canada's offense was completely out of his comfort zone. When LSU got their arse kicked by Miss. St. it was O who felt the most heat, not Canada. He decided then and there that he wasn't going to allow Canada's "bad" offense to cost him (Orgeron) HIS job. The fix was to go back to a style O was more comfortable with...that led to the Troy debacle, which then forced O to just begrudgingly accept Canada's offense for that season.
But once that season was over he immediately retreated to a place of comfort in Ensminger. Sure, Steve wasn't the "hot" name, but O knew him, his style, and most importantly, that Steve was going to fall in line. If O was going down after the 2018 season, he was going to do it with his guys, not someone unknown to him whom he felt he had to hire.
Now (hopefully) I think you see Orgeron comfortable with the offense. He trusts Ensminger. More importantly, he trusts that Ensminger is completely ok with this being more of Brady's de facto offense. He also trusts Sean Payton. And if Payton though highly of Brady, then O will give Brady the benefit of the doubt.
Canada was a hire O felt he had to make when his biggest selling point for getting the job, bringing in Kiffin as OC, fell through. Now he feels more secure in his job AND he has "his" guys in place
That said, he also knows as HC that he is responsible for the ENTIRE program. Not just the DL. He will pay the ultimate price (i.e. lose his job) if the offense sucks, even though he had nothing whatsoever to do with gameplanning and play calling. Thus, when it's his job on the line, he's going to go with what he is comfortable with. His "comfort" was the USC offense he observed during his time there, and the Miami offense before that. Both are different from the modern spread or RPO styles.
Canada's offense was completely out of his comfort zone. When LSU got their arse kicked by Miss. St. it was O who felt the most heat, not Canada. He decided then and there that he wasn't going to allow Canada's "bad" offense to cost him (Orgeron) HIS job. The fix was to go back to a style O was more comfortable with...that led to the Troy debacle, which then forced O to just begrudgingly accept Canada's offense for that season.
But once that season was over he immediately retreated to a place of comfort in Ensminger. Sure, Steve wasn't the "hot" name, but O knew him, his style, and most importantly, that Steve was going to fall in line. If O was going down after the 2018 season, he was going to do it with his guys, not someone unknown to him whom he felt he had to hire.
Now (hopefully) I think you see Orgeron comfortable with the offense. He trusts Ensminger. More importantly, he trusts that Ensminger is completely ok with this being more of Brady's de facto offense. He also trusts Sean Payton. And if Payton though highly of Brady, then O will give Brady the benefit of the doubt.
Canada was a hire O felt he had to make when his biggest selling point for getting the job, bringing in Kiffin as OC, fell through. Now he feels more secure in his job AND he has "his" guys in place
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:09 am to Alt26
I more Or less agree with this.
I think A HC should always do more harm than good, and I think the best thing O can do forbid offense is hire the right guy give him the best talent we can get and get out of the way.
But I think finding guys he trusts to work the offense helps him let go
I think A HC should always do more harm than good, and I think the best thing O can do forbid offense is hire the right guy give him the best talent we can get and get out of the way.
But I think finding guys he trusts to work the offense helps him let go
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:09 am to gsvar2004
Instead of starting shite on the board, why didn’t you include
Along with what you posted? What you started the thread with is the wrong narrative than how the FULL breakdown was presented.
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This is the best team Orgeron has had. If they expand the offense they can beat anyone."
Along with what you posted? What you started the thread with is the wrong narrative than how the FULL breakdown was presented.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:10 am to LNCHBOX
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loses to a Troy type team,
...for fricks sake
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:16 am to Penrod
So you post the only negative comment
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:17 am to Penrod
That's a weird quote. "A history with his play callers"? I mean, he's been the coach for three seasons and has had two OC's. One, he had a clearly disastrous and toxic relationship with, resulting him in taking the reins away from Canada and eventually firing him. The other is Em, who isn't exactly a wunderkind. I like Em, but he was hired almost specifically because of his good working relationship with O and how the two work well together.
So, essentially that quote is saying that O hated Canada and interfered in his offense. which he did, and should have, as his offense wasn't really working (also patly O's fault for hiring a guy without doing due diligence). LSU scored 7 points against State and looked like garbage against Syracuse before the Troy debacle. The offense already was off the rails when O took the keys away... and went 6-2 down the stretch. So, he was kind of right.
So, essentially that quote is saying that O hated Canada and interfered in his offense. which he did, and should have, as his offense wasn't really working (also patly O's fault for hiring a guy without doing due diligence). LSU scored 7 points against State and looked like garbage against Syracuse before the Troy debacle. The offense already was off the rails when O took the keys away... and went 6-2 down the stretch. So, he was kind of right.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:18 am to Penrod
I'll put this in another perspective. If Coach O continues his success then the more input he has then the more he can learn to make himself a better coach. Obviously he's not gonna run the entire playbooks on both sides but he has good assistants that can show him "how it's done." So now he has a mental blueprint when assistants starts going to other places.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:21 am to Baloo
Coach O has to feel comfortable with any assistant calling plays, he wants results more than anything but the comfort definitely factors in. I think he’s in that place where he will have both.
This post was edited on 8/6/19 at 11:15 am
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:21 am to Topwater Trout
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It's just funny to me when people say a HC shouldn't meddle with his team. He is the HC of course he is going to have input in every phase of the game.
only dumb asses w no management or those w an agenda would post this crap over and over.
ALL CEOs are involved in ALL areas of a company.
They are ultimately held accountable and thus they will all have the ultimate say so.....
macro management is totally different from micro managing
That's how life works.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:38 am to Prominentwon
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loses to a Troy type team,
...for fricks sake
If that game is in the past, so are any big wins O has had while here. Kinda hard to discuss things if we aren't allowed to talk about the past? huh?
ETA: And it's like you didn't even bother to read the rest of my post where I said that game is no indication of what happens this year and I am optimistic that O has us heading in the right direction. Is that seriously not good enough for yall?
This post was edited on 8/6/19 at 10:41 am
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:38 am to MightyYat
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Exactly. The wording of that quote is ridiculous. He likes to run what he’s comfortable with.......... well no shite??
I guess the implied question is why would you expect some drastically different offense this year when we've never seen anything like that under this coach?
There's a lot of people that think we're going to have some wide-open offense this season. And I think at times we will, until things get dicey in games, then he'll revert back to what he does, low risk playcalling, punt and put it on the defense.
This post was edited on 8/6/19 at 10:40 am
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:40 am to Goldrush25
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There's a lot of people that think we're going to have some high flying offense this season.
What do you think?
Youve predicted 11-1, correct?
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:46 am to RogerTheShrubber
I think even with the coach's tendencies we should get to 11-1.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 10:48 am to Baloo
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That's a weird quote. "A history with his play callers"? I mean, he's been the coach for three seasons and has had two OC's
Well he had a coaching career at OM, where he also had well-documented issues with his playcallers. But I know his time at OM is inadmissible evidence for some reason.
This post was edited on 8/6/19 at 10:51 am
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