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re: looks like a push to change the limit on spcks in LA is coming or....
Posted on 6/27/19 at 11:11 am to Boat Motor Bandit
Posted on 6/27/19 at 11:11 am to Boat Motor Bandit
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Im also all for canning trout tournaments or restricting them with a harsher set of guidelines. Tournament fishing in general needs to go.
This helps if anything, you are keeping 1 big fish instead of 25 small ones (per person in the boat).
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Posted on 6/27/19 at 11:11 am to jsmoke222000
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I may be in the minority here but I rarely keep full limits of fish, particularly trout. I just don't need that many fish in my freezer. I've got nothing against people who catch and keep their limit though. I haven't kept a redfish in atleast 3 years, probably a little longer but I go sight fishing for them all the time. I have spent many days catching 30+ fish and putting them right back in the water. The 5 fish limit on reds and the slot limit has never discouraged me from catching fish or spending more time on the water after reaching my limit on the rare occasions that I did keep the fish. I enjoy fishing and I don't let the limits set forth by the state discourage me from doing what I enjoy. The rules only say what you can keep, not how many or what size you can catch.
See the whole catch and release thing for redfish is cool. They are a lot tougher than trout. Almost 20% of trout die after being released. Its due to their tender mouths and they tend to swallow a bait more times than not because of their strike (this is science backed btw). So while you think you're doing good by releasing them, you're just killing 1 out of every 5 that you release. I really don't think the Louisiana estuary has the salinity levels consistently to hold gator trout. I don't mind lowering the limits a little but what should happen is Louisiana incorporate the one trophy trout per day rule and keep the same size limits. Fishing in Texas is miserable catching a ton of 12-13" trout that are more than likely dying when you release them and there's only so much food to go around. When you lower the limits and have a higher density of fish that stunts growth. Just my two cents on the whole thing. I've been destroying the trout the last 10 years and I fish from big lake to grand isle along the coast. It's more about fishing the right conditions and finding good moving water with bait around. I don't guide and may only fish twice a month when the conditions are right. People complaining that there aren't as many trout now just don't know how to fish or what to look for.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 12:55 pm to Keeble9145
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People complaining that there aren't as many trout now just don't know how to fish or what to look for.
Yeap
Also, going from 25 to 15 is quite drastic.....why not 20? I’d imagine that ldwf will see a lot fewer license renewals.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 12:57 pm to choupiquesushi
I’m a freshwater guy mainly
Caught our limit and Cleaned 20 bass the other day me and my dad went fishing
frick cleaning 60 fish
Caught our limit and Cleaned 20 bass the other day me and my dad went fishing
frick cleaning 60 fish
Posted on 6/27/19 at 1:05 pm to Keeble9145
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I really don't think the Louisiana estuary has the salinity levels consistently to hold gator trout.
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When you lower the limits and have a higher density of fish that stunts growth.
Most people are saying rec anglers have almost 0 effect on the fish. Then you have people saying Louisiana won't support larger fish. Then you have what you said above that higher density is not better.
I'll say that one thing is for certain, the amount of guys that bitch about not being able to keep 25 fish and only keep 15 is laughable. Its the only region in the country where keeping that many "game" fish is even a possibility. I'm not saying that means you shouldn't change it, I'm saying don't bitch about being lucky instead of extremely lucky.
That's like the guy that goes and bass fishes some big lake and complains because he has only been catching 5 lbers and not the 10 lbers like usual.
I'd also be curious to know the amount of anglers now compared to 10-20 years ago. You likely can't have more anglers catching more fish and not have an impact at some point.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 1:07 pm to Keeble9145
Heard a good point once about catch and release. One argument for fishing (when arguing with PETA, etc) has been that fishing can feed you, your family, etc. Catch and release fishing does absolutely nothing but provide enjoyment. This would be extreme, but I don’t see C.A.R. as any kind of born being thrown to anti-fishing groups.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 1:15 pm to TJG210
quote:yeah, this was the battle cry in the 80s when limits were first imposed.... little if any impact on license sales.
I’d imagine that ldwf will see a lot fewer license renewals.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 1:25 pm to choupiquesushi
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yeah, this was the battle cry in the 80s when limits were first imposed
25 trout and 5 reds/person is still a good haul for folks and if fishing with 3/4 is a full day. Catching only 15 is another thing entirely......Like I said you can use as much anecdotal evidence as you want, but I’ve caught just as many fish the last 2-3yrs as I ever have. The last time you had a very high river people in Venice were griping about no trout, well no shite. Making rash far reaching decisions on rare scenarios, or just because one part of the coast is experiencing something isn’t very sound thinking.
It also isn’t like things will ever go back in the other direction should stocks rebound, want evidence of that, check out the guide services that catch hundreds of redfish each day (between the fleet of boats).
Posted on 6/27/19 at 1:29 pm to TJG210
That report in Louisiana Sportsman was very compelling. It isn’t if they will change the trout limits, but when. I think when they meet in the fall it’s a done deal
Posted on 6/27/19 at 1:34 pm to AlxTgr
Texas,
Bama,
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Texas Parks and Wildlife coastal fisheries staff proposed the change, in part, to simplify regulations by having a single statewide limit on speckled trout as well as to protect and enhance the fishery. The move is expected to slightly improve the quality and quantity of the trout fishery in affected areas and offer a buffer against hits to the fishery from natural events such as severe freezes, outbreaks of toxic algae or losses from oil spills or other human-caused events. The five-trout bag limit has been in effect on the lower Texas coast since 2007 and the middle coast since 2014.
Bama,
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Jason Downey, Alabama Marine Resources’ Enforcement Chief, said the speckled trout regulations will move to a slot limit, which means anglers will be allowed to keep trout that measure between 15 and 22 inches total length with an allowance for one fish over 22 inches total length. The bag limit will be reduced to six speckled trout per person per day.
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“In general, the public was supportive of making changes to both trout and flounder because people had noticed changes in their ability to catch these species,” said Marine Resources Director Scott Bannon. “They also realized the amount of people who are targeting these fish and how dramatically that has increased over the past few years.”
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Kevin Anson, Marine Resources’ Chief Marine Biologist, noted during those earlier public meetings that stock assessments conducted independently through the University of South Alabama indicated that both speckled trout and flounder populations are in decline. The harvest in the past five to seven years shows the trout breeding stock are not at a sustainable level. Although not as critical as flounder, speckled trout could reach that stage if changes (in harvest) are not made.
Anson said an increase in the trout minimum length to 15 inches would allow more than 227,000 trout to be returned to the water annually. The slot limit will increase the survival of the large, female trout, which account for the bulk of egg production during spawning activity.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 1:37 pm to TJG210
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Also, going from 25 to 15 is quite drastic.....why not 20?
because that wouldn't accomplish a dang thing. I point blank heard a LDWF Commissioner say to make any difference, the limit would need to go to 10 (this was when Big Lake went from 25 to 15)
Posted on 6/27/19 at 1:42 pm to choupiquesushi
I am a retired marine biologist and would like to offer some input on this discussion concerning the status of spotted seatrout in Louisiana based upon the recent State stock assessment. First, declines in spawning stock biomass and total numbers can be partially attributed to the loss of mid- and upper-estuary protected shallow water ponds which provide optimum nursery habitat for early juvenile spotted seatrout and other estuarine dependent species. This conclusion was predicted many years ago by scientists studying the potential loss of inshore nursery habitat in Louisiana on estuarine-dependent species. Second, spotted seatrout populations have always rebounded sharply from massive documented cold weather mortalities in 1983-84 and 1989, etc. Third, reducing creel limits to 10 or 15 fish will probably minimally reduce overall harvest because a high percentage of fishing trips as documented by statewide or local creel surveys indicate that only a low percentage of fishing trips result in limits or over 15 fish. Finally, after the BP oil spill, the Department of Wildlife and Fisheries changed their fish sampling protocol from fixed stations in optimum habitats in three inshore-offshore zones within each of the coastal study areas to a randomized selection of stations, which resulted in many stations being in unproductive local habitats. While randomized sampling would probably result in an excellent data base to depict trends in marine fish populations, comparison of data from fixed stations to random-selected stations may not be comparable.
I am also an enthusiastic fisherman in upper marsh areas, and I acknowledge that recent spotted seatrout catches may been very low for various reasons such as potential fish kills in Jan 2017 and high rainfall and Mississippi River discharges in the late 2018 and 2019 which resulted in low salinities and temporary displacement of marine fish such as spotted seatrout.
I am cautiously optimistic that spotted seatrout populations could rebound temporarily without additional harvest restrictions, but at the same time recognize that in the future fishermen could expect additional restrictions.
I am also an enthusiastic fisherman in upper marsh areas, and I acknowledge that recent spotted seatrout catches may been very low for various reasons such as potential fish kills in Jan 2017 and high rainfall and Mississippi River discharges in the late 2018 and 2019 which resulted in low salinities and temporary displacement of marine fish such as spotted seatrout.
I am cautiously optimistic that spotted seatrout populations could rebound temporarily without additional harvest restrictions, but at the same time recognize that in the future fishermen could expect additional restrictions.
This post was edited on 6/27/19 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 6/27/19 at 1:42 pm to AlxTgr
These studies are the reason I tell the biologist at the ramp doing fish surveys to frick off. For the last 2 years Texas biologist sat on the Louisiana side of sabine checking people. This year they lower limits on the Texas side and are doing their best to get la to fallow suit.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 1:43 pm to AlxTgr
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The slot limit will increase the survival of the large, female trout, which account for the bulk of egg production during spawning activity.
Ok, why not take a more reasoned approach like 20, with only 2 Over 22”.......I think that would help a lot more than 15 any size. Like redfish, the bigger the trout, the less I’m interested in keeping it to eat anyway. Hell I know a few people that have released multiple over 5# in the last few years.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 1:50 pm to BayouTiger71
quote:This right here..... anyone that wasn't in various marshes/esuaries in the 70s and 80s cannot comprehend how much things have changed in these estuaries - habitat degradation may be a bigger problem than fishing pressure - which scares me....
First, declines in spawning stock biomass and total numbers can be partially attributed to the loss of mid- and upper-estuary protected shallow water ponds which provide optimum nursery habitat for early juvenile spotted seatrout and other estuarine dependent species. This conclusion was predicted many years ago by scientists studying the potential loss of inshore nursery habitat in Louisiana on estuarine-dependent species. Second, spotted seatrout populations have always rebounded sharply from massive documented cold weather mortalities in 1983-84 and 1989, etc
areas washing away, silting in... etc heck... the tidal flow in many areas is dramatically different than it was 30 years ago(and I'm not referring to MRGO or seabrook damming
the northern and western barataria basin most notably has suffered dramatically.
This post was edited on 6/27/19 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 6/27/19 at 2:01 pm to choupiquesushi
It wont affect me and my friends. We are shite at fishing so unless they drop the limit to 2 fish a day we will be ok.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 2:06 pm to Bedhog
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So, I'm guessing the outdoor board is now the OT lounge
yes, please stop trolling or go back to the OT
Posted on 6/27/19 at 2:06 pm to choupiquesushi
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nyone that wasn't in various marshes/esuaries in the 70s and 80s cannot comprehend how much things have changed in these estuaries - habitat degradation may be a bigger problem than fishing pressure - which scares me....
this is the truth. Anyone who fishes Big Lake can look no further than the banks of ship channel washing away around Long Point/Washout area. No more water flow in those areas, getting too salty....oysters dying, fishing slow....
Same trend with the loss of the marshes
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areas washing away, silting in... etc heck... the tidal flow in many areas is dramatically different than it was 30 years ago
Not sure why LDWF is ignoring those signs!
Posted on 6/27/19 at 2:11 pm to TopWaterTiger
quote:cuz they can't control those... I'd rather them worry about the things they can control.....
Not sure why LDWF is ignoring those signs!
Posted on 6/27/19 at 2:18 pm to choupiquesushi
They keep digging the ship channels deeper and deeper. Allowing more salt water intrusion. Shrimping by catch is bad on juvenile fish. Guides piling stacks of fish on the docks day after day doesn't help. But hey let's cut out the limits for the guys who fish once a month and rarely catch a limit.. makes no sense to me.. if they are truly worried about the fish cut out the shite that actually hurts..
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