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Posted on 6/26/19 at 1:40 pm to choupiquesushi
But, but, but ...science.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 1:40 pm to wickowick
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Reductions in limits will cause some of them to stay home and play golf.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 2:07 pm to wahoocs
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I will become a full time golfer when it does
Too much investment of time and money to be done in an hour.
DAmn, can I have your GPS when you give it up? I mean, if you have spots to catch 15 fish in an hour I'd love to have them.
This might be the silliest thing I have seen on the OB.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 2:15 pm to choupiquesushi
I'm all for reducing the limit to 15 specs. No one needs 25 a day. I don't care that you only get to go 1 or 2 times a year, that's not my problem.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 2:15 pm to redneck
Posted on 6/26/19 at 2:18 pm to AlxTgr
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But, but, but ...science.
I'm all far lowering speck limits if it is backed by data showing that our current harvest rates are leading to overfishing the resource and 25 fish limits are unsustainable.
But lowering it because someone thinks 15 specks is "enough" for them is a TERRIBLE way to manage resources. And it leads down a slippery slope that starts to let public opinion instead of science manage our natural resources. If 15 is enough for you, then only keep 15. But if the resource can handle and support a 50 fish or unlimited fish limit, why should your personal standard dictate the manage of a population? That is insanity.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 2:23 pm to Bedhog
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Nobody needs more that 10-15 trout per day. fricking ridiculous
what if I only get to fish them a couple of times per year?
Posted on 6/26/19 at 2:26 pm to dome53
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Sounds like you don't actually like fishing and only do it to harvest meat.
Nothing wrong with that. Actually over half of the charter trips are for that reason, and that reason only.
The only ones here that are ok with it, are the ones going often. Because actually, they are the abusers. Sure, 15 is plenty when you gwt to go every week, or more than once per week.
But when you drop between 500 to 1000 on abguide that you only get 1 or 2 trips per year, the higher limit makes that more tolerable.
I see both sides...but hunting or fishing for the meat is just as honorable as doing it for any other reason
Posted on 6/26/19 at 2:26 pm to tigerinthebueche
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what if I only get to fish them a couple of times per year?
fish more or buy it. Buying it costs less than a fishing trip anyways
Posted on 6/26/19 at 2:31 pm to choupiquesushi
I don't think it's 100% habitat, maybe 95%.
Any Wahoo could catch a limit ten+ years ago on plastic, not so much today even on the eastside. There's absolutely no consistency from one day to the next anymore. We need the COE to rock the ship channel on Cal which would decrease the silt in the lake and dredging costs.
Any Wahoo could catch a limit ten+ years ago on plastic, not so much today even on the eastside. There's absolutely no consistency from one day to the next anymore. We need the COE to rock the ship channel on Cal which would decrease the silt in the lake and dredging costs.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 2:31 pm to tigerinthebueche
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Nobody needs more that 10-15 trout per day. fricking ridiculous
no different than red snapper to me. I only go a few times a year, and the limit is only 2.... Just go more or fish for other species on that trip. Quit playing golf so much?
But end the end, it should be based on what the habitat can sustain, not how often you go vs how much meat you bring home, or just because it would make the trip end at 10am and not 4 in the afternoon trying to catch the last 3 fish to finish off the limit(guilty) I catch a million perch a year an no one is yelling there is a shortage. Because the habitat can handle it.
This post was edited on 6/26/19 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 6/26/19 at 2:33 pm to choupiquesushi
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yeah - I just hope this improves the spawning mass and the drop is not habitat related, as is my hunch.
well all you idiots refuse to see the truth
they did this in big lake, the home of the largest trophy trout fishing anywhere.
the result was an immediate reduction in sizes of fish and numbers of fish. it devastated the fishery there and it has never recovered, its now just an average fishery.
just because you dont want to keep fish doesnt mean you have the right to deny others the ability to put fish in the freezer and feed their families.
you act like socialist democrats saying even though science says we dont need to reduce limits, i feel good virtue signaling by asking everyone to be penalized for no reason at all
the level of stupid is beyond the pale when its clear the reductions in fish are directly linked to fish die off from the bad freezes we had over the last 5 years. hell 2 years in a row the pelicans were dying all over the state from lack of food when the freeze killed all the marsh fish they feed on.
limits are fine as they are, but go ahead and keep begging the government to take your rights away, raise taxes, and disregard science and over regulate
Posted on 6/26/19 at 2:34 pm to The Last Coco
Patiently awaited your reply.
Was not disappoint.
Was not disappoint.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 2:40 pm to keakar
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limits are fine as they are
Based on your gut feeling, not facts, right?
Posted on 6/26/19 at 2:45 pm to keakar
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well all you idiots refuse to see the truth they did this in big lake, the home of the largest trophy trout fishing anywhere. the result was an immediate reduction in sizes of fish and numbers of fish. it devastated the fishery there and it has never recovered, its now just an average fishery. just because you dont want to keep fish doesnt mean you have the right to deny others the ability to put fish in the freezer and feed their families. you act like socialist democrats saying even though science says we dont need to reduce limits, i feel good virtue signaling by asking everyone to be penalized for no reason at all the level of stupid is beyond the pale when its clear the reductions in fish are directly linked to fish die off from the bad freezes we had over the last 5 years. hell 2 years in a row the pelicans were dying all over the state from lack of food when the freeze killed all the marsh fish they feed on. limits are fine as they are, but go ahead and keep begging the government to take your rights away, raise taxes, and disregard science and over regulate
So if the trend that you are blaming continues and freezes happen more often, resulting in more poor recruitment years, thereby lowering the trout population, we should still keep our current limits and wipe out the fishery? It’s called being proactive instead of reactive. It’s a concept so many ignorant people fail to grasp. Reactive management is destined to fail.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 2:55 pm to keakar
quote:Wait, what did?
the result was an immediate reduction in sizes of fish and numbers of fish. it devastated the fishery there and it has never recovered, its now just an average fishery.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 2:56 pm to Bedhog
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I'm all for it. Nobody needs more that 10-15 trout per day. fricking ridiculous.
Agree. I can remember when there was no limit on trout and guys would come in with Igloo ice chests filled to the top.
A friend of mine's dad had a camp and they'd go out for a few days at a time and come home with ice chests filled with just filets. The amount of fish they took was obscene and it made me wonder how long that could last at that rate.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:01 pm to Elusiveporpi
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no different than red snapper to me
I'm all for upping the limit of snapper to 10 per day. You're not comparing these two equally.
Not as much money needs to be spent chasing trout. Plus the fishery is open year round with no federal regulations.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:03 pm to keakar
quote:fish Big Lake a bunch. Oyster reef raping and the regulation of the wiers killed the fishery. But I still see Jared Adam's AND Jeremy Waltrip killing the trout all the time.
well all you idiots refuse to see the truth
they did this in big lake, the home of the largest trophy trout fishing anywhere.
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