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re: WSJ: 'The South’s Economy Is Falling Behind: ‘All of a Sudden the Money Stops Flowing’'
Posted on 6/11/19 at 7:02 pm to 3nOut
Posted on 6/11/19 at 7:02 pm to 3nOut
The major exception is West Virginia. I know alot of the poor includes AAs and Hispanic (immigrants especially), but WV is a major exception. I wonder if its b/c of racial politics (existing and nonexisting)?
Posted on 6/11/19 at 8:24 pm to ExtraGravy
Five pages of discussion, and no one has pointed out that the article is behind a paywall? Either the whole OT subscribes to the WSJ ( ) or nobody is even pretending to read the article before pontificating.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 8:50 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
PC is with us for that very reason. Good call.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 9:05 pm to JPinLondon
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I had to spend a day and a half filling out documents proving we never OWNED SLAVES!
Hmmm... what about a company that did, but had them stolen by some wackjob with a chinstrap beard?
Posted on 6/11/19 at 11:01 pm to RollTide4Ever
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The major exception is West Virginia
That’s why i colored it Yellow specifically. We don’t need to deny it’s the case but it’s an outlier to the “south” and they continually vote for a democratic senator.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 11:38 pm to ExtraGravy
Natchez is dying because of a change in demographics. Politics have been taken over by entitlement leaders and liberal trust fund idiots. They want industry to pay for a new high school, that is already one of the worst in the state, and new prospective companies to commit X amount to public programs instead of tax breaks up front. Natchez can't even afford it's public services so it robs from the county most of the time.
Just google the debates on the proposed new recreational complex, it ended up dying over the stupid public swimming pool and maintenance management. They ended up getting their dumb arse pool, that couldn't even host a local swim meet.
If I ever had to send my kids to public school, my arse will be in Vidalia or Franklin County.... Franklin freaking county, with half the industry but better schools. Go figure.
Just google the debates on the proposed new recreational complex, it ended up dying over the stupid public swimming pool and maintenance management. They ended up getting their dumb arse pool, that couldn't even host a local swim meet.
If I ever had to send my kids to public school, my arse will be in Vidalia or Franklin County.... Franklin freaking county, with half the industry but better schools. Go figure.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 6:32 am to Sparetime
Also made bad bond deals designed to generate fees for a few cronies. The financial advisor just got barred for life by SEC and is under indictment
Posted on 6/12/19 at 10:18 am to fallguy_1978
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Lack of commitment to education
Louisiana spends mid 20s per pupil and has 46th ranked schools. Do you think we'd do any better if we spent more?
Nope. Just ask California how that worked out for them.
This post was edited on 6/12/19 at 10:20 am
Posted on 6/12/19 at 11:11 am to ExtraGravy
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Alexandria, other cities in Louisiana too.
I thought suggestions in the thread like "omg once you start electing Democrats it's sure failure!" were ridiculous
Alexandria has always elected DIM white mayors, sheriffs, etc
Its exactly why they've never prospered
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:24 pm to RobbBobb
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Alexandria has always elected DIM white mayors, sheriffs, etc
Its exactly why they've never prospered
You sure. I'll check but I always thought that Rapides Parish was Red.
I agree that it doesnt have much.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:30 pm to ExtraGravy
If I recall, during the 2009 recession (which actually started at the end of 2007), it took longer for it to hit the south and there were areas that were hit by it much harder than the south.
As for as the rest of this article, I can't dispute it because I haven't read anything with information that would lead me to believe one way or the other, but based on observing what is going on around the country, I don't think the south is really "falling behind".
But as I said, I don't really know, I am just saying how I perceive things.
As for as the rest of this article, I can't dispute it because I haven't read anything with information that would lead me to believe one way or the other, but based on observing what is going on around the country, I don't think the south is really "falling behind".
But as I said, I don't really know, I am just saying how I perceive things.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:38 pm to Sparetime
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Natchez is dying because of a change in demographics. Politics have been taken over by entitlement leaders and liberal trust fund idiots. They want industry to pay for a new high school, that is already one of the worst in the state, and new prospective companies to commit X amount to public programs instead of tax breaks up front. Natchez can't even afford it's public services so it robs from the county most of the time.
It really is sad what’s happened there. Natchez has been primarily a town of retirees and government leaches for the last 15-20 years now
Very little new industry has replaced what was lost with IP and Armstrong closing shop. I didn’t read the pay article but I don’t think Natchez is a good example to use to show why the south is falling behind recently
This post was edited on 6/12/19 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 6/12/19 at 1:10 pm to OweO
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As for as the rest of this article, I can't dispute it because I haven't read anything with information that would lead me to believe one way or the other, but based on observing what is going on around the country, I don't think the south is really "falling behind".
One other fact you need to consider.
The South, for better or worse, is slow to change in many places. Some people are actually okay with how things are in their small town. Technically nothing wrong with that, but too much of that attitude stifles growth long term.
I'm not advocating change for it's own sake, but people are more likely to leave than follow a system that isnt worth the effort.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 1:32 pm to kingbob
Also never underestimate how many people collect disability checks for bullshite reasons. It’s become another form of welfare. NPR (I think) profiled a town in Alabama a few years ago where an impossibly high percentage of the population was collecting disability.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 1:35 pm to JPinLondon
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In order for my Harahan-based, 1955-founded company to sell our rescue device to Los Angeles Fire Dept., I had to spend a day and a half filling out documents proving we never OWNED SLAVES!!
WTF? Surely this didn't happen. Was it because you were in the South?
Posted on 6/12/19 at 9:30 pm to BeepNode
The South Is Down, But Don’t Count It Out
Bloomberg.com
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An interesting article by Sharon Nunn in the Wall Street Journal garnered a lot of attention recently, showing that the South is now lagging other regions of the U.S after enjoying a long postwar expansion. Although Nunn is right about the challenges facing the South, gloomy conclusions about the health of the region’s growth model are premature.
Regional economic performance is important for several reasons. First, it gives bragging rights in the eternal war of words between conservative and liberal pundits. If low-tax, anti-union red states are doing better, conservatives will crow that small-government solutions work, while if they lag behind higher-tax, pro-union blue states, progressives will tend to declare that a robust welfare state isn’t a drag on growth. For a long time, the dominant narrative was one of southern states luring manufacturing jobs from the North; now that narrative may be shifting.
Bloomberg.com
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