In all seriousness, this all thanks to AD right?

I feel like the way this entire scenario has unfolded (including winning the lotto) was the league sending a message behind the scenes that the inmates would not be permitted to run the asylum, and that there are a lot of teams outside of LA and NY.

I don't get the connection between your first paragraph and 2nd

Basically, in your first you acknowledge how bad the organization used to be and how great it is now. And then in the second, paint Klutch as this villain with no logic

They wanted to get him out of here BECAUSE the organization was crap. Which you guys all now realize after seeing what it could be with an owner who actually focuses on it.

Nothing Klutch did was wrong IMO if their goal is to get their client away from a crappy franchise while he is in their prime. And it was a crappy franchise.

I don't get how people don't see this clearly yet. They know all the pieces but don't connect them properly. I am guessing it is because emotion is involved

Yeah I didn't mean those to be mutually exclusive. Gayle certainly deserves all the credit. I just mean his trade request as the initial catalyst.

I don't think it does. Everyone was fine with ADs point at first. It got the ball moving knowing Dell had to go and everything else fell in place. No one blamed AD.
Then the trade deadline approached and it was made clear they wanted the Lakers. "It was all about winning" and his comments about at the All Star game about "how all 29 other teams are in play." As in he literally wanted to go anywhere else. That's when the tide turned and Nola fans said you know what screw this guy.

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Nothing Klutch did was wrong IMO if their goal is to get their client away from a crappy franchise while he is in their prime. And it was a crappy franchise.

I don't get how people don't see this clearly yet. They know all the pieces but don't connect them properly. I am guessing it is because emotion is involved

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Yeah difference between getting him out of NOLA and “Lakers (and maybe NY) or bust”. All is well that ends well, but this 20/20 Klutch Sports hindsight defense from you is comical.

I’m sure I’ll get downvoted for going after the leader of Crewz Talk, but your arse is having some wacky arse takes today from defending Klutch in this manner to arguing for keeping a non extended AD into the season.

dude they fricked over their biggest client in this whole process by completely dismantling the Lakers (eta: and what was left of Lebron’s image, don’t forget how much he’s been drug through the mud through all of this as well).

These guys must really be out here playing 4D chess and all of us plebians can’t see what your omniscient brain can.

I could buy the defense if I thought Klutch did what they did for AD. The timing says to me they did what they did for LeBron. The Pels benefitted from it, they were the agent of change we needed, but this is still the same agency that miscalculated terribly on how much leverage Norris Cole had, and tried to force AD to Lakers when it was obvious they had no realistic shot at it working.

Pretty much every “good move” they’ve made for their clients has been to take advantage of leverage LeBron had. I really don’t see them as a typical agency doing typical agent things for players. That doesn’t necessarily make them a villain in my eyes, but it does affect how they do business which needs to be taken into account.

If only we could get AD/Klutch to get rid of the in game music

then i would clap clap clap clap my hands

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I mean, even the smartest in the media thought the Lakers "all in" package couldn't be trumped. That it was better to take it than risk the distraction that came with AD playing out the rest of the season, etc

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this is some type of boom level delusional revisionist history you’re on right now.

We were consistently poking fun at the people who were telling us to take that package. But since the Pelicans won the lottery and the Knicks didn’t get 1 or 2 and the Lakers got 4, it might be?

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just don't see how you guys all acknowledge how much better the franchise is now, yet can't seem to wrap your head around how bad AD should've wanted out, no matter what it took. You must be blocked by emotion because there is no logical connection you can make between those points

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I have seen some really thinly veiled shots at a ton of really intelligent posters on this board by you. You play this emotion card in almost every thread for anyone that disagrees with you.

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I mean no offense by this, but you guys simply don't know what you are talking about. You grabbed on to some narratives that made sense to you, but I can tell you for a fact they just aren't true.

But I am probably a fraud who doesn't know the behind the scenes stuff and your theories are better, so I will shut up

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I completely mean offense by this, the fact that all of this franchise altering stuff is happening and somehow Crewz Talk revolves around you is fricking comical. The fact that people could worship some know-it-all-thinks-he’s-way-smarter-than-he-is douche is pretty sad.

You make it pretty easy to stay away from the board for good chunks at a time. Need only deal with you and your lackeys for a few posts to realize why I hadn’t been giving a shite about this board.

The irony is the dummies will follow and be happier while the intellectual honesty of the board takes even more of a hit.

Again crewz, I mean offense by that. I don’t need to veil it.

Inb4 “you mad bro” comment from your lackies.

Sometimes people need to be shown for what they truly are. People can understand what I’m saying or not. I really don’t have an emotional investment one way or the other what they decide, but it does aggravate me to see you treat people so consistently shittily. I don’t need to be privy to it or a part of it. This board, or rather you, make me unnecessarily negative.

I’ll take the downvotes and the lumps and the ridicule for all those people who have been treated like intellectual morons for no reason and denigrated by you to know it’s noticed.

I'm really having a problem figuring out what the ultimate goal is for some of the "trade his arse" crowd. If it's to win a championship, it seems to me that even a "show me" AD (if it's an AD playing in all-in mode) teamed with Jrue and Zion gets you closer than does, IMO, than would most of the trade packages I've seen speculated upon here and elsewhere. I say this because it's always seemed to me that historically speaking the assets gained in trades seem to pan out as envisioned less than half of the time. I have no statistical data to back this up beyond 40+ years following the Association, so we certainly have room (or gray area, if you're not one of the black-or-white absolutists) to argue percentages. But I've seen way too many folks who overvalue the asset they don't have while undervaluing that which they already have. Those two birds in the shrub in the next yard with the really healthy lawn and all that.
Of course, if the real goal is to show AD who's boss, then by all means proceed.