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re: Pels getting the long list of GM candidates from search firm next week
Posted on 3/13/19 at 2:53 pm to TigerinATL
Posted on 3/13/19 at 2:53 pm to TigerinATL
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I kind of like the idea of Ferry/Langdon but I get how that would make people worry they took the easy way out and didn't implement enough change.
Right here. Ferry being put in the big spot just confirms anyone's fears that they had about this organization. Ferry will not have the leverage to demand big time changes, which this organization needs.
He may do a great job, but it would certainly be a disappointment at first blush.
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Posted on 3/13/19 at 3:25 pm to Fun Bunch
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Right here. Ferry being put in the big spot just confirms anyone's fears that they had about this organization. Ferry will not have the leverage to demand big time changes, which this organization needs.
That's essentially why Ferry got ousted from his last gig, but hearing him speak, I doubt he's changed his approach much. I think if Ferry was named POBO he would institute wholesale change which is from the little that I have heard is what ownership wants. Ms. Gayle supposedly wants a basketball version of Loomis/Ireland/Payton and will give them the resources to build a competitive franchise.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 3:28 pm to NOFOX
That's what they SAY they want, but seeing is believing.
An outside hire to me will always have the leverage to implement more than someone that "already has the job" essentially.
Ferry can say I want "this this and this" and they can say "Oh ok sure you can have that", while someone like Zarren can say "I don't want the job unless I can do this this and this" and is in a better position to hold their feet to the fire.
I do not trust this organization. Obviously if Ferry gets the job I will give him a chance and hope for the best, but it would be a really bad sign in my eyes.
An outside hire to me will always have the leverage to implement more than someone that "already has the job" essentially.
Ferry can say I want "this this and this" and they can say "Oh ok sure you can have that", while someone like Zarren can say "I don't want the job unless I can do this this and this" and is in a better position to hold their feet to the fire.
I do not trust this organization. Obviously if Ferry gets the job I will give him a chance and hope for the best, but it would be a really bad sign in my eyes.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 3:41 pm to Fun Bunch
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An outside hire to me will always have the leverage to implement more than someone that "already has the job" essentially.
It's not even about leverage necessarily with Ferry. It's an already established relationship with already in place boundaries and prejudices. Ferry might think "I know they'll never go for this so I'm not going to ask". A brand new person would have a blank slate to work with and would ask for the moon until he figured out what not to ask for.
This post was edited on 3/13/19 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 3/13/19 at 3:43 pm to TigerinATL
Or someone like Hinkie or Zarren can go in asking for the moon and stars and if they are told no to anything, they can just not take it.
On the other hand, Ferry already has it.
On the other hand, Ferry already has it.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 4:52 pm to Fun Bunch
I'm curious if you guys think it would be smart to wait until after the draft lottery to make our hire. I can just imagine the job being more appealing if say we get a top 3 pick or NY gets the 1st pick.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 5:15 pm to TigerinATL
RE: Ferry
Heard through the grapevine through very reliable source that he doesn't want to be here past his contract. Going to head back home to Atlanta (the city not the team). Reason cited was essentially the clusterfrick structure of the Pels
Heard through the grapevine through very reliable source that he doesn't want to be here past his contract. Going to head back home to Atlanta (the city not the team). Reason cited was essentially the clusterfrick structure of the Pels
Posted on 3/13/19 at 5:48 pm to GynoSandberg
If that’s true that either means a Hinkie/Zarren will force change on them or we’re about to hire the Gentry version of a GM. That also gets to what Fun Bunch is saying, Ferry doesn’t have the leverage he needs for change.
This post was edited on 3/13/19 at 5:49 pm
Posted on 3/13/19 at 6:18 pm to TigerinATL
Personal preference is Zarren for POBO (and he can pick whatever GM he is comfortable with) and Stackhouse to replace Gentry.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 6:23 pm to CocoLoco
quote:Might not mean anything but, fwiw, Griffin is VERY MUCH into Brandon Ingram.
Griffin seems like the favorite here.
Saw him on NBAtv the other night with Mike Fratello, and Fratello was talking about how Griffin has talked up Ingram and his star potential for a long time. Griffin thought it was finally starting to come true, before the blood clots.
Griffin specifically mentioned the blood cots changing his trade value.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 6:41 pm to GynoSandberg
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Heard through the grapevine through very reliable source that he doesn't want to be here past his contract. Going to head back home to Atlanta (the city not the team). Reason cited was essentially the clusterfrick structure of the Pels
I would question that report a bit. Ferry voluntarily became interim GM and moved here full time essentially putting his name in the ring. I can’t imagine he’s had a huge change of heart in the 3 weeks he’s been GM.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 6:46 pm to NOFOX
Yeah if anything the reasoning people have given for him possibly passing on the job would be how close him and Dell are and how he may feel awkward "taking" Dell's job. Not sure if that's actually true or not.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 7:14 pm to NOFOX
Cant go into too much detail but It's not a report, it's literally from Ferry's mouth 
Post being named interim GM, too. Of course things change. This was as of about a week and half ago
Post being named interim GM, too. Of course things change. This was as of about a week and half ago
Posted on 3/13/19 at 7:17 pm to GynoSandberg
Damn. Our organization must be a shitshow
Posted on 3/13/19 at 7:18 pm to GynoSandberg
I don’t think we can assume Ferry taking on the job for 3 months means he’s throwing his hat in the ring. He could just see it as a steppingstone to his next job since the only reason he’s not a GM is teams are afraid. Being the Pels GM should let teams know it’s ok to hire him again.
It will be interesting to see if Kushner is able to get the full list and who’s on it.
It will be interesting to see if Kushner is able to get the full list and who’s on it.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 7:24 pm to GynoSandberg
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Cant go into too much detail but It's not a report, it's literally from Ferry's mouth
Post being named interim GM, too. Of course things change. This was as of about a week and half ago
That’s super disappointing. I was hearing that they were going to sever the Saints/Pels operations outside of marketing/business. Hopefully Kushner follows up with this and keeps the pressure on the organization to change.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 7:30 pm to NOFOX
The timing is probably coincidental, but they also leaked this just a few days after the In The NO podcast went on a bit of a rant about how it's disappointing that we hadn't heard anything about the search and were they actually doing a search. Local media needs to keep the pressure on for sure.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 7:39 pm to Fun Bunch
Apparently he basically laughed in AD's face in a roundtable meeting when AD was asking why fans were turning on him
I gathered he's kinda tired of the bullshite of the league in general and he may take some time off.
I gathered he's kinda tired of the bullshite of the league in general and he may take some time off.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 7:46 pm to GynoSandberg
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Apparently he basically laughed in AD's face in a roundtable meeting when AD was asking why fans were turning on him
If this is true then AD is more clueless than I thought
Posted on 3/13/19 at 7:46 pm to GynoSandberg
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Apparently he basically laughed in AD's face in a roundtable meeting when AD was asking why fans were turning on him
Ok now I want him to be GM
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