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re: The Case Against Adnan Syed - HBO-
Posted on 3/26/19 at 10:28 am to Neauxla_Tiger
Posted on 3/26/19 at 10:28 am to Neauxla_Tiger
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This all depends on the first time he's specifically asked to recall that day and how much time had passed. He could be (probably is) guilty, but I can buy the not remembering part as plausible if he's innocent
Right. Wasn't it made very clear tho that the police did call him that first day she went missing and didn't he say he remembers talking to the police? Those questions/answers for me are the most important in the case.
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Posted on 3/26/19 at 10:41 am to hiltacular
Police called him the night she went missing, and he does remember the call. The call was just asking if he seen or heard from her.
He was questioned as a person of interest a few weeks later. That is when he first claimed he couldn't for certain say where he was in the hours after her disappearance. It's also when he said he had asked Hae for a ride that day, something he since has vehemently denied.
He was questioned as a person of interest a few weeks later. That is when he first claimed he couldn't for certain say where he was in the hours after her disappearance. It's also when he said he had asked Hae for a ride that day, something he since has vehemently denied.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 10:50 am to hiltacular
quote:You are depending on High school aged kids to come up with something that would be an alibi for him. That's certainly not as concrete as you would think.
Yeah, even if he can't remember the day specifically, you would think that somebody, anybody would be able to remember something about that day to give him an alibi. The fact that no one has been able to come up with anything to support him other than the Asia girl is very alarming. You then have multiple people and bits of supporting evidence that all points to him being involved, none of which he can explain or counter.
You also have multiple people (including Adnan) who are telling different stories repeatedly.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 11:33 am to JBeam
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talks about how humans don't structure our memories of events all the same. The majority of people don't remember details as they happen and typically change details when we retell stories.
Tell that to those that don’t believe a word Jay says because of the variations in his story.
I was very glad to see HBO put in Jay’s sentencing.
So a judge basically went against the State’s recommendation of 2 years DOC and suspended his sentence.
This continues to baffle me why people think Jay just went along with what police told him to avoid some weed charges knowing that he was signing up for the State recommending two years DOC, and framing his completely innocent friend in the process.
Do you know how much marijuana Jay would have had to be busted with to get two years DOC???
It is a nonsensical belief and that so many willingly buy into that most unreasonablely doubtful possibility is shocking.
The cell phone segment was also comical imo. They focus on these two incoming calls that supposedly are unreliable, yet completely ignore the outgoing calls just a few minutes before and after those incoming calls.
Which towers were those calls pinged off of??
Want to guess why these productions that are dedicated to discrediting the State’s whole case didn’t include that information in their presentation??
It’s because they likely pinged off the same tower or the surrounding towers with that tower sandwiched right in between them indicating he was likely in that area in the time between those calls from point A and point C.
And dear God please tell me none of you are foolish enough to buy what that quack of a woman was selling on her supposed live cell phone call to Jay in that stair well where he practically admitted to this chick he hadn’t talked to in years that he just said what police told him to in order to get off of weed charges.
No matter how much you buy into Serial or whatever please tell me you aren’t so ate up as to not see that for the desperate (not to mention despicable) act of dishonesty that it is.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 11:46 am to Neauxla_Tiger
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If they called him that day and he couldn't answer where he was a few hours earlier, then that's a huge red flag. But if they just asked if he'd heard from Hae, and wasn't questioned as a suspect until weeks later I can find it plausible he didn't remember.
But you’re missing the basic function of what that phone call would have meant to Adnan.
Say he is innocent. He’s sitting around with friends at 6 o clock and a police officer calls his phone saying his ex girlfriends parents are worried that Hae is missing.
It doesn’t take someone accusing you to make you stop and recall the previous few hours.
At that point you’re just retracing your steps to remember if you saw the girl that you were supposedly pouring your heart out about how much you still loved her to to a practical stranger in the very moments you are trying to recall.
It’s just been a few hours since you left school with an hour of track practice.
You’d think, ........hmm I was in the library, didn’t see her there, but told Asia how much o still loved her. Then Jay picked me up and we went to smoke weed, didn’t see her there, then I went to track and then came here....”Nope, sorry officer haven’t seen her”.
So you’ve already made the memory recall, and at that point it would be more filed away for later recall, even if you were smoking at the time.
Also, of course then any HS student in the world would immediately call their friend and say “Yo, you need to get home your parents called the cops.”, which is what every other person the cops called did btw.
And before you say oh well they weren’t dating anymore maybe he wouldn’t call her, he called her the night before, supposedly TO TELL HER HE MAY NEED A RIDE THE NEXT DAY
This whole thing absolutely reeks of his guilt and only an unchallenged and biased production has been able to introduce the least bit of doubt.
This post was edited on 3/26/19 at 11:49 am
Posted on 3/26/19 at 12:27 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Also, of course then any HS student in the world would immediately call their friend and say “Yo, you need to get home your parents called the cops.”, which is what every other person the cops called did btw.
He also never tried contacting her in the weeks after. That makes absolutely no sense, and when Sarah pointed that out to him he had no explanation.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 1:11 pm to JBeam
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Also It appears she may have came across as less than credible. Certainly (in hindsight) could have worded her letter a tad better. Not sure why she mentions such a specific time-frame..
I don't quite get what seems to be a majority view that Asia isn't credible. I feel like she is a very credible witness. She was barely an acquaintance of Adnan's, so she doesn't have a dog in the fight so to speak. Her story has never changed. And she comes across as level-headed.
I don't know why the Debbie chick had such vitriol for Asia. I don't see Asia as having any incentive to have manufactured a story.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 1:14 pm to hiltacular
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All I can figure is that they were all smoking meth or something and just completely incoherent during these hours which is why no one remembers anything correctly.
I don't buy that either. It's been established that weed was their drug of choice, and weed doesn't make you "black out" so to speak. I'm far from a pothead, but I've dabbled plenty enough to know that I remember what I did when in that state.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 1:30 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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I was very glad to see HBO put in Jay’s sentencing.
Yeah, that cleared things up.
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And dear God please tell me none of you are foolish enough to buy what that quack of a woman was selling on her supposed live cell phone call to Jay in that stair well where he practically admitted to this chick he hadn’t talked to in years that he just said what police told him to in order to get off of weed charges.
Yeah, that segment was fricking ridiculous. And I don't know what the final editing team was thinking leaving that in. Honestly, the fact that that segment was left in the documentary really detracts from the credibility of the documentary as a whole. I mean, you're going to have his jilted baby momma call him and ask questions about what is going on with this Adnan stuff, you aren't going to record the conversation, so we have no idea what he said, and then you expect us to accept as fact her vague and obviously biased summary of what he said. Just wildly unpersuasive, and just unprofessional.
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Tell that to those that don’t believe a word Jay says because of the variations in his story.
This continues to baffle me why people think Jay just went along with what police told him to avoid some weed charges knowing that he was signing up for the State recommending two years DOC, and framing his completely innocent friend in the process.
This part is definitely worth addressing. Yes, Jay was a known liar. Yes, he changed his story various teams. Yes, there is a possibility that his story was changed in order to coincide with what the cops believed the cell phone tower evidence to show.
Basically, I think that Jay was going to go in whatever direction the cops nudged him towards with his testimony. This is why the details of Jay's testimony really can't be trusted. I'll acknowledge that. But when you take the general gist of his testimony and use Jen Pusateri's testimony as a way to sort of get to the nuts and bolts of the timing and what really happened, it becomes very inculpatory despite Jay's frustrating wavering on the details.
Also, the part about how the fat girl had to have been in class that night is silliness. No chance she skipped class? Come on.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 2:18 pm to Tiger Voodoo
quote:Jay's the one in the SERIAL podcast & in a three part interview with The Intercept says that he was afraid that the cops were going to bust him from selling marijuana because they had harrassed him previously.
Tell that to those that don’t believe a word Jay says because of the variations in his story.
I was very glad to see HBO put in Jay’s sentencing.
So a judge basically went against the State’s recommendation of 2 years DOC and suspended his sentence.
This continues to baffle me why people think Jay just went along with what police told him to avoid some weed charges knowing that he was signing up for the State recommending two years DOC, and framing his completely innocent friend in the process.
Do you know how much marijuana Jay would have had to be busted with to get two years DOC???
It is a nonsensical belief and that so many willingly buy into that most unreasonablely doubtful possibility is shocking.
It also doesn't help that friends of Jay have openly said
that he tells the truth when it is convenient for him or is willing to shift the blame towards a specific individual.
Also, I've previously stated that a number of people in this case have changed their story to better the outcome for themselves.
quote:I don't really see why that lady was back on for Part 3. What she had to say in part 2 was enough.
And dear God please tell me none of you are foolish enough to buy what that quack of a woman was selling on her supposed live cell phone call to Jay in that stair well where he practically admitted to this chick he hadn’t talked to in years that he just said what police told him to in order to get off of weed charges.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 5:02 pm to JBeam
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This continues to baffle me why people think Jay just went along with what police told him to avoid some weed charges knowing that he was signing up for the State recommending two years DOC, and framing his completely innocent friend in the process.
Do you know how much marijuana Jay would have had to be busted with to get two years DOC???
It is a nonsensical belief and that so many willingly buy into that most unreasonablely doubtful possibility is shocking.
Jay's the one in the SERIAL podcast & in a three part interview with The Intercept says that he was afraid that the cops were going to bust him from selling marijuana because they had harrassed him previously.
He didn’t admit to being nervous enough to go along with a police setup of his friend agreeing to do two years of hard time and play along with it for 20 years despite danger to himself and his family.
Yeah, he was nervous. But he said that to explain why his statements weren’t always consistent (lied about where he saw the body to keep his grandmother and her house from getting involved) and why he sounded so weird on the tapes at points.
His nerves, totally understandable for a high schooler, actually make him a more credible witness imo, and I’d bet many of the jurors felt the same.
And as I’ve said before, we aren’t given these clips, but Jay was no doubt cross examined on his prior inconsistent statements, actually it would have been brought up first on direct, and obviously explained them to the satisfaction of the jury.
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I don't really see why that lady was back on for Part 3. What she had to say in part 2 was enough.
Like Midnight said, it calls the credibility of the entire production into question imo.
As if the silly grass analysis or the lengthy segment on Jay’s lengthy record of disorderly conduct cases weren’t enough, that segment was disgraceful and I wouldn’t be surprised if Jay pursued legal action against them for it.
This post was edited on 3/26/19 at 6:56 pm
Posted on 3/26/19 at 6:52 pm to Tiger Voodoo
We are getting caught up on this show, on episode 2 right now. Couple thoughts —
1) I’m kinda torn on all of this. I almost feel like this could have just been another podcast. All the cartoon shite of episode 1 was pretty weird and did nothing for me. And I don’t need to see shots of modern day Woodlawn High School. There’s a lot of visual fluff/filler that isn’t super purposeful, at least in my opinion. It is interesting to see the major figures in the case. And I do like the videos from the court. Idk, guess I’m just not seeing the purpose of all of it.
2) Asia McClain is a fricking liar, and I know because she says “liberry.” Nails on a chalkboard
3) Jen Pusateri is a straight up meth head. She’s, what, 39? She looks 52. The videos of her in court do not look like only 20 years have passed. Edit: “At this point, weed was, like, still, really illegal...” — we had to pause the show because we were laughing too hard
1) I’m kinda torn on all of this. I almost feel like this could have just been another podcast. All the cartoon shite of episode 1 was pretty weird and did nothing for me. And I don’t need to see shots of modern day Woodlawn High School. There’s a lot of visual fluff/filler that isn’t super purposeful, at least in my opinion. It is interesting to see the major figures in the case. And I do like the videos from the court. Idk, guess I’m just not seeing the purpose of all of it.
2) Asia McClain is a fricking liar, and I know because she says “liberry.” Nails on a chalkboard
3) Jen Pusateri is a straight up meth head. She’s, what, 39? She looks 52. The videos of her in court do not look like only 20 years have passed. Edit: “At this point, weed was, like, still, really illegal...” — we had to pause the show because we were laughing too hard
This post was edited on 3/26/19 at 6:57 pm
Posted on 3/26/19 at 6:58 pm to MidnightVibe
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Also, the part about how the fat girl had to have been in class that night is silliness. No chance she skipped class? Come on.
That was laughable as well
Posted on 3/26/19 at 7:14 pm to Matisyeezy
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Idk, guess I’m just not seeing the purpose of all of it.
Money man.
Serial was a huge phenomenon and the big traditional entertainment venues didn’t get a cut, so hey we’ll do a follow up.
It was also supppsed to capitalize and generate new interest with an even bigger audience for the new trial but, whoops, the high court of Maryland vacated that order, so, yeah this is all pointless.
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Asia McClain is a fricking liar, and I know because she says “liberry.”
Her letters are cringeworthy, no question.
I did find it interesting that the ADA testified in the Post Conviction hearing that she told him Adnan’s family had pressured her into signing the first affidavit.
I’m sure the truth is somewhere in the middle, but it’s clear she wasn’t interested enough to follow up with Adnan’s own attorney about the matter.
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Jen Pusateri is a straight up meth head. She’s, what, 39? She looks 52.
No question. Baltimore is hard on lots of people, and she seems to have been one of its victims.
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Edit: “At this point, weed was, like, still, really illegal...” — we had to pause the show because we were laughing too hard
To be fair to her, possession of small amounts of marijuana has been decriminalized in Maryland in the past few years.
So while it still isn’t “legal”, you can get a civil citation for it and amounts over 10 grams is still a criminal offense, she is correct in that it also isn’t “really illegal”
Posted on 3/26/19 at 7:27 pm to Tiger Voodoo
Oh yeah, I totally got what she meant. In ‘98 weed might as well have been heroin to me. Just her entire affect/delivery was hilarious.
You’re totally right re: $$$
We are going to finish the series, but my interest is waning.
You’re totally right re: $$$
We are going to finish the series, but my interest is waning.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 8:10 am to Tiger Voodoo
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As if the silly grass analysis or the lengthy segment on Jay’s lengthy record of disorderly conduct cases weren’t enough, that segment was disgraceful and I wouldn’t be surprised if Jay pursued legal action against them for it.
I think one point of those segments was to show how little investigation the police actually did into the case. I found the grass analysis segment pretty interesting, especially when they talked to the lady that had lived there for 45 years who said there is no way a car could have been parked there for 6 weeks without someone asking questions about it. I mean there was a fingerprint in Hae's car that didn't match Hae, Adnan, or Jay and they did no further analysis of it to potentially identify another suspect. Just shoddy police work all around.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 10:31 am to Tiger Voodoo
quote:quote:
Also, the part about how the fat girl had to have been in class that night is silliness. No chance she skipped class? Come on.
That was laughable as well
I had the same thought, but then they did have her make the point that it was a winter intersession class that you couldn't pass without full attendance, so there's at least some merit to bringing it up if that is true. Still would have been better if they had something concrete like a written attendance record that the teacher kept from that class.
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Matisyeezy
Glad I'm not the only one that keeps noticing Asia saying "Liberry." I've been mocking it every time and my wife doesn't seem to catch it. I've always kinda wondered why nobody in the production on documentaries corrects the interviewees when they are blatantly mispronouncing a word. I get it can be awkward to correct a stranger in that circumstance, but it's more awkward to let them go on national TV letting them sound like an idiot.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 12:27 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Tell that to those that don’t believe a word Jay says because of the variations in his story.
I was very glad to see HBO put in Jay’s sentencing.
So a judge basically went against the State’s recommendation of 2 years DOC and suspended his sentence.
This continues to baffle me why people think Jay just went along with what police told him to avoid some weed charges knowing that he was signing up for the State recommending two years DOC, and framing his completely innocent friend in the process.
Do you know how much marijuana Jay would have had to be busted with to get two years DOC???
It is a nonsensical belief and that so many willingly buy into that most unreasonablely doubtful possibility is shocking.
The cell phone segment was also comical imo. They focus on these two incoming calls that supposedly are unreliable, yet completely ignore the outgoing calls just a few minutes before and after those incoming calls.
Which towers were those calls pinged off of??
Want to guess why these productions that are dedicated to discrediting the State’s whole case didn’t include that information in their presentation??
It’s because they likely pinged off the same tower or the surrounding towers with that tower sandwiched right in between them indicating he was likely in that area in the time between those calls from point A and point C.
And dear God please tell me none of you are foolish enough to buy what that quack of a woman was selling on her supposed live cell phone call to Jay in that stair well where he practically admitted to this chick he hadn’t talked to in years that he just said what police told him to in order to get off of weed charges.
No matter how much you buy into Serial or whatever please tell me you aren’t so ate up as to not see that for the desperate (not to mention despicable) act of dishonesty that it is.
Have an upvote. The details this production choose to fixate on versus the details they choose to ignore discredits the whole for me as well. So many red flags that only point to Adnan. Only injustice here is that Jay got off scot free for helping cover up a murder and dispose of a body.
Posted on 3/31/19 at 9:47 pm to Lawyered
FInale episode aired...
Don't like how they took cheap shots at Trump over the Muslim ban and how that has anything to do with Adnan not getting bail ..
don't see how that possibly is relevant.
Don't like how they took cheap shots at Trump over the Muslim ban and how that has anything to do with Adnan not getting bail ..
don't see how that possibly is relevant.
Posted on 3/31/19 at 11:11 pm to Lawyered
Just finished watching it as well. I've followed this very closely since Serial was released, and tonight was the first I'd ever heard that Adnan was offered a plea deal prior to the Court of Appeals oral arguments. I wonder how rock solid that offer was though. Would it have been a slam dunk that a guilty plea with an agreement to serve 4 more years would have been accepted by a judge? If so, it's foolish of Adnan to turn that down if he actually committed the murder.
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