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re: Washington Post Defends Marx – “Five Myths About Socialism”
Posted on 3/2/19 at 10:50 am to ProjectP2294
Posted on 3/2/19 at 10:50 am to ProjectP2294
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Why are these people so intent on fricking up the language?
Because when words have meaning they lose. That's why they hate the Constitution as written. It is a 'living breathing document' that means whatever they say it does.
Posted on 3/2/19 at 10:50 am to Jjdoc
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social democracy has arguably been the single most successful modern ideology or political movement
Oh Really?
I would love the Author to show us just one successful example!
Especially, I would love for the Author to show us one example where a poor country implemented democratic socialism and it raised the average standard of living to 1st world standards.
The biggest failure of a planned economy is when one mistake is made it affects the whole.
In decentralized economies it takes many mistakes by multiple actors to affect the whole.
Posted on 3/2/19 at 10:51 am to Jjdoc
"A Nation of Sheep will beget a government of wolves"
Edward R. Murrow
Edward R. Murrow
Posted on 3/2/19 at 11:01 am to Jjdoc
Socialism is just one murder away from communism
Posted on 3/2/19 at 11:24 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I think communism could work on a very small scale.
Absolutely it could. And all participants would have to be ok with the minimal lifestyle provided by government since communism doesn’t reward exceptionalism.
This post was edited on 3/2/19 at 11:25 am
Posted on 3/2/19 at 11:30 am to Vacherie Saint
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What you know is not real. What you believe isn’t founded. Your mind and heart have lied to you, so let us tell you what’s truth.
-love, Fox News
Posted on 3/2/19 at 11:43 am to Jjdoc
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MYTH NO. 3
All socialists want to abolish markets and private property.
Communists, when in power, have done away with markets and private property. Democratic socialists say that in principle they hope capitalism will disappear over the long run, but in the meantime they advocate piecemeal changes in the ownership and control of economic resources — bank nationalization, for instance.
How fricking intellectually dishonest....or just straight up ignorant.
What they'll do is pass laws that make it impossible for the free market to survive in certain sectors. And yes, eventually Capitalism will fold, but not because people found it better otherwise, but because the gov't took control.
How is that any different than "abolishing markets"?
If I force you to pay a $1 million fee in order to own a gun, I can say I didn't ban guns.
fricking idiots.
Posted on 3/2/19 at 11:49 am to Jjdoc
socialist suck, liberals suck and democrats suck. go Trump.
Posted on 3/2/19 at 11:51 am to Jjdoc
Honestly, he’s not totally wrong, if you take the time to do a little research.
Posted on 3/2/19 at 11:57 am to VOR
Of course you'd say that. He's not totally right either.
I could write an article regarding myths pertaining to absolutely anything, and paint it in a positive light.
The real question is, why? Why defend it at all? It's apparent the MSM and progressives are trying to start a narrative condoning Socialism, all while y'all sit there and say, "Stop being so paranoid, we're not trying to implement Socialism."
I could write an article regarding myths pertaining to absolutely anything, and paint it in a positive light.
The real question is, why? Why defend it at all? It's apparent the MSM and progressives are trying to start a narrative condoning Socialism, all while y'all sit there and say, "Stop being so paranoid, we're not trying to implement Socialism."
Posted on 3/2/19 at 12:09 pm to Jjdoc
one is no private ownership aka businesses
one is no personal property
both suck
they love calling scandinavia a success in socialism because it is in a sector like healthcare for example.
that is not full blown socialism like venezuela in all sectors. but those scandinavian taxes are through the roof! to pay for that shite in small countries.
one is no personal property
both suck
they love calling scandinavia a success in socialism because it is in a sector like healthcare for example.
that is not full blown socialism like venezuela in all sectors. but those scandinavian taxes are through the roof! to pay for that shite in small countries.
Posted on 3/2/19 at 12:15 pm to VOR
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Honestly, he’s not totally wrong, if you take the time to do a little research.
It's painfully obvious he doesn't understand Socialism or Communism.
Posted on 3/2/19 at 12:18 pm to Chocolate Jesus
you put the avi in.
Posted on 3/2/19 at 12:23 pm to VOR
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He’s not totally wrong
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After the Russian Revolution, a commitment to democracy became a key distinction dividing socialists from communists.
He’s totally fricking wrong about this. Both the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks were socialist factions under the Marxist-Leninist movement. The Menshiviks weren’t pro-democracy, the wanted to expanded party membership to some more members of the former elite class but there still wouldn’t be popular voting initiates outside of the party.
And the Bolsheviks fricking killed them for it.
This article is such nonsense.
Posted on 3/2/19 at 12:24 pm to Jjdoc
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Communism certainly failed, but social democracy has arguably been the single most successful modern ideology or political movement.
This is one of those half-truths based on loose definitions whose use are so persuasive to the simple minded, and so typically used of the left.
It’s true that unfettered and unregulated capitalism has problems. It’s also true that our current economic system has many layers of regulations (broadly defined) and interventions which are often beneficial at least for a while (each is up for debate).
But regulated capitalism and democratic socialism are not the same thing, not by a long shot. The distinction between the two is the difference in their fundamental presuppositions - or ideology.
Democratic socialism presupposes that free markets are fundamentally corrupt and that regulation is not only good, but necessary. The answer to every problem is more government intervention - intervention that includes (and invariably becomes) total government take-over. This takeover is not feared, it’s welcomed.
In fact, the rapidity of this desire for takeover is so quick, that most democratic socialists just make that the starting point of their solution.
“Government run healthcare” and “single payer healthcare” are practically indistinguishable.
“If climate change looks like it’s going to make problems for humans, well, let’s just outlaw cars and planes, build trains, rebuild every single building in America to be energy efficiently, and our problems will solved. Think about all of that employment!”
Regulated capitalism understands that free markets are about freedom of exchange, and that the miracle of free markets creates wealth and prosperity. It acknowledges that this freedom can allow for some entities to get too powerful and/or corrupted to the detriment of the majority, or that the common good and long term benefits can get neglected. Some regulation and protections are required, but those regulations always have negative side effects which must be constantly monitored.
A true regulated capitalist recognizes that the regulations themselves lead to corruption and that every effort should be taken to remove regulations when they are no longer useful or have become detrimental. They also know how very hard it can be to remove regulations and government interventions once they’re in place, and they must take that into consideration before ever enacting them.
Posted on 3/2/19 at 12:28 pm to Jjdoc
America desperately needs a lot of these people to take free helicopter rides.
Posted on 3/2/19 at 12:29 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I think communism could work on a very small scale for a short amount of time,
Yeah, it's called marriage. It works about half the time.
Posted on 3/2/19 at 12:31 pm to VOR
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Honestly, he’s not totally wrong, if you take the time to do a little research.
Posted on 3/2/19 at 12:37 pm to rintintin
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or just straight up ignorant.
I'm leaning this way. He seems to have no real knowledge of economic systems.
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