Jump to page
Page 1 2 3 4 5 ... 14
Started By
Message
locked post

More strikes ahead? Teachers say they love their jobs but can't pay their bills, poll show

Posted on 1/24/19 at 1:09 pm
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
36606 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 1:09 pm
quote:

Teachers love their jobs, but they say they have the right, and the reasons, to walk out on them.


quote:

An exclusive USA TODAY/Ipsos Poll of teachers finds an extraordinary level of job satisfaction – if they could pick a career all over again, three of four would still choose teaching – but one that is being battered by broad complaints about the salaries and support they receive. By an overwhelming margin, they agree that public school teachers have the right to strike.

Those attitudes nationwide could set the stage for more walkouts like the one that began in Los Angeles last week. Negotiators for the nation's second-largest school district and the United Teachers Los Angeles reached an agreement Tuesday morning, which was sent to teachers for approval. In Denver on Tuesday, teachers voted on a possible strike against the public schools.

"One year, I counted up all the hours I spent working," says Kevin Rooker, 60, a history teacher in Saginaw, Michigan, including time spent teaching classes, grading papers and meeting after-hours as part of Carrollton High School's technology committee. "If you total up all those hours, guess what I made? $2.68 an hour."


Let's say this guy makes 30k per year. That means he's claiming he worked nearly 12000 hours in one year, equivalent to 500 24 hour days. Confirmed, he's completely full of shite.

quote:

Even so, after 20 years on the job, Rooker, who was among those surveyed, says in a follow-up phone interview that he wouldn't want to be anywhere else than with his students. "It's fun to watch them struggle, and then that light bulb goes off in their eyes, like, 'Oh my gosh, I've got it!' "

The findings spotlight this disconnect: 92 percent of teachers say they love their job, a remarkable consensus for any field of endeavor, but a majority of them, 54 percent, say they have thought about quitting.


100% of people have thought about quitting their jobs.

quote:

In a word cloud that reflected the responses to an open-ended question about why they thought about leaving the job, by far the biggest words are "low pay" and "lack support," surrounded by comments about paperwork, stress, difficult students and hovering parents.


quote:

The poll is part of a USA TODAY project through the 2018-19 school year that is exploring the profession in an era of evolving challenges, from the demands of standardized testing to the stark reality of mass shootings. The online survey Jan. 11-17 of 504 adults who teach kindergarten through 12th grade in public, private and charter schools has a credibility interval of +/-5 percentage points.


quote:

"Our latest USA TODAY/Ipsos Poll makes clear that what sustains teachers is love for the job, not money,” says Cliff Young, president of Ipsos. “But love alone does not pay the bills. Indeed, three-fourths of teachers believe in the right to go on strike."

In Los Angeles, negotiations continued over the weekend between striking teachers and the Los Angeles Unified School District. Disputes over pay, class size and classroom support sparked the first strike in 30 years in the school system, which enrolls 640,000 students.


quote:

Show me the money
By more than 2 to 1, or 66 percent to 31 percent, teachers say they aren't paid fairly. On that the public agrees. In a national USA TODAY/Ipsos Poll last September, Americans, by a similar 59 percent to 34 percent, said teachers weren't paid what they're worth.

"The rent is one full (two-week) paycheck, so that leaves me another full paycheck to pay the rest of the bills," says Allison Elledge, 46, a history teacher at Flagler Palm Coast High School in Florida and the single mother of three daughters, two of them grown. She tutors after school to earn extra money.


quote:

In the survey, nearly four in 10 teachers say they worked a second job over the past year to make ends meet. Almost three in 10 say they ran up debt during that time. Eight in 10 say they used their own money to buy school supplies.


quote:

"I don't know of another profession where the employees bring materials into the workplace and they pay for it out of their own pocket," Rooker says. "When people look at me and say teachers get paid enough for babysitting, I say, 'When was the last time you had to take a piece of sheet metal into GM?' "


No they just have to provide the proper clothing, shoes, and or hard hat in alot of cases.

quote:

Little surprise, perhaps, that teachers overwhelmingly see public schools as worth the tax money that pays for them, 78 percent to 19 percent. On this the public generally agreed: 68 percent to 25 percent in the survey in September.

Teachers say public schools do a better job of educating students than they did 10 years ago – 2 to 1, or 62 percent to 30 percent.


quote:

They express mixed views toward charter schools, a movement supported by advocates as a way to give parents a choice and spur innovation in public education. One sticking point in the Los Angeles strike is the union's demand that the district exert more control over charter schools, arguing that they undermine public schools.

Americans say private and charter schools usually provide better education than public schools, 60 percent to 27 percent. Teachers split down the middle on that question, 47 percent to 46 percent. By 59 percent to 30 percent, they say charter schools take money and good students away from public schools.

When it comes to teachers unions, sentiments differ significantly, depending on whether the teacher belongs to one or not. Eight in 10 unionized teachers approve of their union, nearly double the 44 percent of non-unionized teachers who do. Unionized teachers say by 4 to 1 that unions improve the quality of education. Non-unionized teachers agree, 53 percent to 29 percent.

There is much less difference in views on whether teachers unions make it harder to fire bad teachers. Non-unionized teachers agree with that statement 64 percent to 18 percent, and unionized teachers 62 percent to 32 percent.


quote:

Maybe their dog died
Teachers express mixed views about the standardized testing that has become increasingly common in the classroom.

Anna Turner, 36, who teaches biology at Knoxville Catholic High School in Tennessee, had to administer the tests when she taught in a public school. "It took up extra time for me," she says in a follow-up interview. "But standardized testing is one of those hurdles you jump over because it makes sure kids are learning the same thing from school system to school system."

Other teachers say the tests put pressure on them and the kids in their classrooms.

"Maybe a student has test anxiety, or their dog died that day, but we still expect a 10-year-old to take a test and perform at their best," says Stacey Shaffer, 45, a fifth-grade English and language arts teacher at E.J. Moss Intermediate School in the tiny East Texas town of Lindale. "They come up to me in the fifth grade and say they're not good at reading. I'm like, 'You're 10. you don't know what you're good at.' "

"It's really easy to teach to the test, (but) that doesn't help the kids grow or be part of the community," says Cullen Murphy, 44, who teaches seventh-grade math and science at East Hills Middle School in Bloomfield Hills, Michigan.



Everything the OT loves in one woe is me thread, teachers bitching, unions, and plant workers even mentioned
This post was edited on 1/24/19 at 1:20 pm
Posted by SeeeeK
some where
Member since Sep 2012
30597 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 1:10 pm to
LOL

teachers and their mythical math for salaries.


Posted by DustyDinkleman
Here
Member since Feb 2012
19301 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 1:11 pm to
quote:

Teachers love blowing their students
Posted by Btrtigerfan
Disgruntled employee
Member since Dec 2007
23469 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 1:11 pm to
quote:

Everything the OT loves in one woe is me thread, teachers bitching, unions, and plant workers even mentioned


This was all I read.
Posted by sicboy
Because Awesome
Member since Nov 2010
79267 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 1:12 pm to
Why does this place hate teachers so much?
Posted by JumpingTheShark
America
Member since Nov 2012
24692 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 1:13 pm to
If only people went after teachers unions like they do the Catholic Church when it comes to the whole pedophilia thing...
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11765 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 1:13 pm to
When they retire earlier with full pension and DROP money we don't hear them complaining.
Posted by LSUsmartass
Scompton
Member since Sep 2004
82711 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 1:14 pm to
I hear there will soon be a huge demand for people putting chains on driverless 18-wheelers...maybe teachers could apply for those positions
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
36606 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 1:14 pm to
quote:

Why does this place hate teachers so much?




Because there is a teacher in that article claiming he worked 500 days of hours in a 365 day year. Unless he didn't sleep, eat, or shite and still somehow found 135 days he's full of shite.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
73118 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 1:15 pm to
quote:

Why does this place hate teachers so much?
Because they complain more than any other group in America.

The national data clearly debunks the notion that they are underpaid.

quote:


The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) analyzes the skill requirements of different jobs, assigning each a pay grade based on the federal government’s General Schedule (GS). At the lowest skill levels—a GS-6 on the federal scale—teachers earn salaries about 26 percent higher than similar white-collar workers. At GS-11, the highest skill level, teaching pays 17 percent less than other white-collar jobs. This explains how shortages can exist for specialized positions teaching STEM, languages, or students with disabilities, while elementary education postings may receive dozens of applications per job opening. The average public school teaching position rated an 8.8 on the federal GS scale. After adjustment to reflect the time that teachers work outside the formal school day, the BLS data show that public school teachers on average receive salaries about 8 percent above similar private-sector jobs.

Contrary to myth, teachers are generally not foregoing higher salaries by staying in the classroom. Data from the Survey of Income and Program Participation show that teachers who change to non-teaching jobs take an average salary cut of about 3 percent. Studies using administrative records in Florida, Missouri, Georgia, and Montana showed similar results; the Georgia study found “strong evidence that very few of those who leave teaching take jobs that pay more than their salary as teachers.”


LINK

Furthermore, their health insurance is off the charts Cadillac.
Posted by FearTheFish
Member since Dec 2007
4301 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 1:16 pm to
Math 101 for all the teachers out there.

1. The national average for a starting teacher salary is $38,617 SOURCE

2. The typical school year is 10 months (Aug - May).

3. So $38,617 / 10 months = $3,861.70 per month.

4. $3,861.70 x 12 = $46,340.40.

Ergo, if you want to make over $45K a year, work 12 months.
Posted by stat19
Member since Feb 2011
29350 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 1:16 pm to
Those that can, do - and get paid well for it.
Those that can't, teach - and bitch about the low pay.
Posted by TrouserTrout
Member since Nov 2017
6425 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 1:17 pm to
frick them teachers. They should have done more research before getting a degree that doesn’t pay as they think it should.
Posted by Balloon Huffer
Member since Sep 2010
3421 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 1:17 pm to
frick this. Teachers make 45-50 k to work 9 months a year.

The word SALARY means EXEMPT..... as in , exempt from anyone giving a frick.

There are plenty of middle management fricks on SALARY, making 40k ish a year, working 12months a year, at 60+ hours a week.

Boo fricking hoo teachers.

Stop gossiping at the water cooler on your breaks, and actually get shite done.

Those that are forced to grade hours and hours of papers daily --- simply SUCK AT THEIR JOB.

They should simply be replaced instead of rewarded.
Posted by arcalades
USA
Member since Feb 2014
19276 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 1:18 pm to
quote:

Why does this place hate teachers so much?
posters are bitter to teachers bc they think the teachers get free paid summer vacation, but posters conveniently forget teachers have to do a lot of after hours work.
Posted by chryso
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
13515 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 1:19 pm to
quote:

he's claiming he worked nearly 12000 hours in one year, equivalent to 500 hours in a day.


Let's see now.
12000 / 500 = 24

Yep, 24 days in a year. Math checks out.
Posted by HoustonChick86
Catalina Wine Mixer
Member since Dec 2009
59130 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 1:19 pm to
quote:

Why does this place hate teachers so much?

I personally don't hate teachers. It's a job a personally could never do.

I think a lot of the hate comes from teachers complaining constantly about their hours and pay, like they didn't know what they were getting in to.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
36606 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 1:19 pm to
quote:

posters conveniently forget teachers have to do a lot of after hours work.



You mean after they get off 2 hours before the regular workday?
Posted by FearTheFish
Member since Dec 2007
4301 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 1:19 pm to
quote:

after hours work
You mean after 3pm?

Join the club.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 1:20 pm to

Oh look. Another bitch and complain about teachers bitching and complaining thread.

You guys must picture every teacher in the country working in a district like Highland Park. The rural reality of being a teacher is quite another story, Kids.
Jump to page
Page 1 2 3 4 5 ... 14
Jump to page
first pageprev pagePage 1 of 14Next pagelast page

Back to top
logoFollow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News
Follow us on X, Facebook and Instagram to get the latest updates on LSU Football and Recruiting.

FacebookXInstagram