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re: More strikes ahead? Teachers say they love their jobs but can't pay their bills, poll show
Posted on 1/25/19 at 2:18 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Posted on 1/25/19 at 2:18 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Message More strikes ahead? Teachers say they love their jobs but can't pay their bills, poll show
Ever since the ExxonMobil ITEP issue in EBR - I am extremely anti teacher.
I don’t feel sorry for teachers at all.
When they decided to become a teacher, they knew what the pay was - but they chose the career path anyway. So typical of a liberal teacher. I would never vote for any type of pay raise for teachers.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 2:25 pm to Supermoto Tiger
what did those teachers do? honest question never heard anything about it.
do yall really have that heavy of a percentage of leftist teachers? We just do not have that here. Of the 73 teachers in my school only 4 that I know of are democrats and they are not wild about it. Never seen any bias in their classrooms not that I am in them much but they are basically "morally" republican but "fiscally" democrat types....as in they support gun rights and that type stuff but are more democrat when it comes to finances and some other policies.....but the vast majority of us here are very much more republican oriented.
do yall really have that heavy of a percentage of leftist teachers? We just do not have that here. Of the 73 teachers in my school only 4 that I know of are democrats and they are not wild about it. Never seen any bias in their classrooms not that I am in them much but they are basically "morally" republican but "fiscally" democrat types....as in they support gun rights and that type stuff but are more democrat when it comes to finances and some other policies.....but the vast majority of us here are very much more republican oriented.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 2:38 pm to Jvalhenson
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oh man that is funny and is exactly what I was talking about. The standards for teachers has been increased numerous times over the past several years
You're misunderstanding my point - they should make it harder to be a qualified teacher.
No matter how difficult it is to actually do the job, the pool of people willing to do it for "low" pay is clearly very large. If it wasn't, their pay would reflect it.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 3:38 pm to slackster
Not sure where y’all keep getting this idea that there are an over abundance of teachers. Maybe in some areas or the best schools they get plenty applicants but those are isolated. For the most part there are tons of teacher shortages nationwide. Lots of schools have to double up student numbers especially in math and science classes bc they can’t get enough teachers to fill the slots. There just are not these piles of teachers. If there were there’d be a lot of out of work teachers too and there just aren’t any. Def more teaching positions out there than teachers. Y’all keep trying to compare teachers getting a raise with other professions and it just doesn’t work like that. The reason it is so hard for teachers to get raises is it takes political action to get it. We don’t have one person to go to and negotiate, threaten to leave, or anything like that. It takes a political act to change teacher salaries in probably every state but at least in the vast majority. And like I said it has already been made harder recently and continues to be made harder. Praxis qualification scores are constantly going up and college programs have gotten much more rigorous. It’s always funny when people who have no clue what goes into it all try to tell those that have been through it and are in it how it is ha. It is nowhere near as easy to become a teacher as it was 20 years ago. Which goes back to my original statement....all that stuff has already happened and continues to happen yet the pay hasn’t kept up (even thought it gets “promised” at every election by both sides) bc the politicians are always 10 years behind.
This post was edited on 1/25/19 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 1/25/19 at 4:56 pm to slackster
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For the sake of the children, I hope you're not a teacher either.
One typo out of my posts? Goodness, way to add some irrelevance to this thread.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 4:59 pm to slackster
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If teachers want to earn more, they should make increase the standards for teachers.
Yes, because this has not been done in any district.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 5:02 pm to extremetigerfanatic
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Actually was I said was that it’s not hard. Reading comprehension and recall. Learn it.
You are ignorant if you think this is what makes a great teacher.
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Wow. 1. You don’t know anything about me other than what I’ve stated but do continue to project. Tells me a lot about you 2. So only skilled laborers opinions matter and should be taken seriously. How very superior of you. Classic symptom of an insecure person too.
I didn’t call you an unskilled laborer. Make sure you respond and quote to the correct person.
With that said, you seem upset when someone criticizes the type of work you do.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 5:10 pm to Supermoto Tiger
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Ever since the ExxonMobil ITEP issue in EBR - I am extremely anti teacher.
I don’t feel sorry for teachers at all.
When they decided to become a teacher, they knew what the pay was - but they chose the career path anyway. So typical of a liberal teacher. I would never vote for any type of pay raise for teachers.
This post oozes intelligence. I hope you don’t send any of your kids or grandkids to public schools.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 6:36 pm to TexasTiger08
Teaching is one of the most complex careers there is.
They are government employees. The leaders of school boards are often elected. Teachers are the first line of defense in a long chain of command, yet they have been stripped of their power in most cases. Several posters here are trashing the very people that are responsible for their kids for 7+ hours a day.
Teachers are almost never paid based on production. There aren’t financial incentives. How on earth do you bash a job when you don’t provide them adequate resources?
The simple minds on here are bashing teachers for wanting more money. I’m going to assume these people work in places where they aren’t handcuffed, aren’t dealing with the product of poorly functioning households or parents, and are paid for what they can do.
You say standards for teaching need to be raised? They have. Many of you need to look in the mirror and evaluate your own job and circumstances before pretending that you know about someone else’s responsibilities.
They are government employees. The leaders of school boards are often elected. Teachers are the first line of defense in a long chain of command, yet they have been stripped of their power in most cases. Several posters here are trashing the very people that are responsible for their kids for 7+ hours a day.
Teachers are almost never paid based on production. There aren’t financial incentives. How on earth do you bash a job when you don’t provide them adequate resources?
The simple minds on here are bashing teachers for wanting more money. I’m going to assume these people work in places where they aren’t handcuffed, aren’t dealing with the product of poorly functioning households or parents, and are paid for what they can do.
You say standards for teaching need to be raised? They have. Many of you need to look in the mirror and evaluate your own job and circumstances before pretending that you know about someone else’s responsibilities.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 8:06 pm to DrShrimpPuertoRico
I’ve always had two major complaints. One can change, while the other just kind of comes with the territory.
Coaches aren’t compensated at all for our time, and anything other than a high school football coach is basically volunteer work.
Don’t get me wrong, I love coaching or I wouldn’t do it, but someone always needs to do it. The one who does is basically nullifying the benefit of getting off at 2:45-3:00.
The other is the fact that you have to be on. From 6:45-1:00, there’s no break, or fricking around on your phone, or chatting with coworkers. You’ve got thirty people in a room with you who are going to guarantee that you’re at least half trying at your job. Believe me, if you aren’t, they know it and will be sure that your boss does to.
If you’ve got good kids, that isn’t so bad, but when they’re nightmares, it’s a tough job to keep your professionalism going for 6 hours straight (minus the 25 mins for lunch, for which you can’t leave campus).
That being said, the second one is part of the territory and the one thing I didn’t consider as closely when going into the job. I know plenty of friends who work similar hours but have a lot more flexibility in how they act.
I always see threads before big games where people are basically on there phones looking at the hype, spin, and stats. They’re literally pissing away hours of productivity, which is fine. If I were to sit on my phone not really doing much, my classes would go to shite instantly.
Coaches aren’t compensated at all for our time, and anything other than a high school football coach is basically volunteer work.
Don’t get me wrong, I love coaching or I wouldn’t do it, but someone always needs to do it. The one who does is basically nullifying the benefit of getting off at 2:45-3:00.
The other is the fact that you have to be on. From 6:45-1:00, there’s no break, or fricking around on your phone, or chatting with coworkers. You’ve got thirty people in a room with you who are going to guarantee that you’re at least half trying at your job. Believe me, if you aren’t, they know it and will be sure that your boss does to.
If you’ve got good kids, that isn’t so bad, but when they’re nightmares, it’s a tough job to keep your professionalism going for 6 hours straight (minus the 25 mins for lunch, for which you can’t leave campus).
That being said, the second one is part of the territory and the one thing I didn’t consider as closely when going into the job. I know plenty of friends who work similar hours but have a lot more flexibility in how they act.
I always see threads before big games where people are basically on there phones looking at the hype, spin, and stats. They’re literally pissing away hours of productivity, which is fine. If I were to sit on my phone not really doing much, my classes would go to shite instantly.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 8:09 pm to Jvalhenson
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For the most part there are tons of teacher shortages nationwide.
That's how wages should increase, but you're dealing with government. In the private sector, wages would rise
Posted on 1/25/19 at 8:12 pm to DrShrimpPuertoRico
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Many of you need to look in the mirror and evaluate your own job and circumstances before pretending that you know about someone else’s responsibilities.
Teachers are pretty much one of the only jobs everyone has direct experience with though
Posted on 1/25/19 at 8:31 pm to Deactived
If you really think your experience as a student even remotely gives you any insight whatsoever into being a teacher....well there just is not gonna be any reason to talk to you bc that is beyond absurd. No different than saying well I went to the dentist so I know how to do a root canal. It’s nonsense. Teaching is one of the few jobs everyone thinks they know better than the people who actually do it. You don’t tell your plumber how to unstop a drain or your heating and guy how to fix your ac..but dern near everyone thinks they can tell a teacher how they should teach bc “well when I was in school” hahahaha...no...just stop there. If you aren’t a teacher....sorry...you don’t know crap about being a teacher. Period. Claim you do all you want.....you don’t. You don’t know better than the person who went to school for 4 years plus very likely graduate school.....you don’t know better than the person who has been teaching for 10 years and has taught over 1000 students in that time....you don’t better than the person who has held hundreds of parent conferences dealing half involved parents that think their kid can do no wrong.....you don’t know better than the person who has helped hundreds of kids through major problems at home from deaths to drug addicted parents beating them nightly and they are terrified and they have nowhere else to turn for support but their teacher. You have no clue. Everyone thinks they know what teachers should do.....nope....you don’t. But it is funny to watch the nonsense unfold so by all means keep it going ha.
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