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Posted on 1/9/19 at 12:26 am
Posted on 1/9/19 at 12:26 am
3 way trade has been discussed but HIGHLY UNLIKELY at this point
Pels: Chandler Parsons & Brad Beal
Wiz: Randle, Moore, 2019 Pels first, 2020 Grizz first (protected)
Grizz: Solo, Wes, Frank, Pels 2020 second
Again unlikely all three teams have certain disagreements; other news Dell more and more hesitant to trade Niko; Lakers are preparing for AD to stay or get traded elsewhere thinking of Klay, Ben Simmons, Lowry-Derozan pairing among other things, Crewz has mentioned before LA unlikely for AD
Pels: Chandler Parsons & Brad Beal
Wiz: Randle, Moore, 2019 Pels first, 2020 Grizz first (protected)
Grizz: Solo, Wes, Frank, Pels 2020 second
Again unlikely all three teams have certain disagreements; other news Dell more and more hesitant to trade Niko; Lakers are preparing for AD to stay or get traded elsewhere thinking of Klay, Ben Simmons, Lowry-Derozan pairing among other things, Crewz has mentioned before LA unlikely for AD
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Posted on 1/9/19 at 12:27 am to PeliPelifactory
All these trades are being discussed, so before one of you trade machine boys go wild fillers can be added or not
Posted on 1/9/19 at 12:29 am to PeliPelifactory
Why the hell is DC getting 2 firsts when we're taking Parsons?
Posted on 1/9/19 at 12:30 am to LouisianaJoseph
Because they’re giving up Beal, this has already been known they want 2 firsts
Posted on 1/9/19 at 12:34 am to PeliPelifactory
I’m not a fan of trading picks at the moment but frick it sign me up
Posted on 1/9/19 at 12:39 am to PeliPelifactory
Makes sense from all perspective
what I dont like is Pels second involved
MEM should have second rounder to Pels
Parsons is owed ~$50M
what I dont like is Pels second involved
MEM should have second rounder to Pels
Parsons is owed ~$50M
Posted on 1/9/19 at 1:07 am to pawel
Are Wiz ready to pull the trigger or do yall think this lasts all the way to trade deadline?
Posted on 1/9/19 at 1:29 am to flytronix225
As MM noted - Wizz dont get the offers they liked (here they have 2 picks)
Pels financial perspective is interesting here.
they receive $49M and send $37M
which means they go into the tax with 3 roster spots empty
and not a ton of expiring left...
Pels financial perspective is interesting here.
they receive $49M and send $37M
which means they go into the tax with 3 roster spots empty
and not a ton of expiring left...
Posted on 1/9/19 at 1:31 am to pawel
I undesratnd that there might be more moving parts
but two additional max players wont help with building deep team
Incoming salary probably has to remain.
So my guess is that this deal is/should be dead.
but two additional max players wont help with building deep team
Incoming salary probably has to remain.
So my guess is that this deal is/should be dead.
This post was edited on 1/9/19 at 1:34 am
Posted on 1/9/19 at 1:35 am to PeliPelifactory
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Because they’re giving up Beal, this has already been known they want 2 firsts
I don't understand how Memphis dumping Parsons on us means Washington deserves another 1st rd pick. That's ridiculous.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 2:22 am to PeliPelifactory
I would puke.. I want Parsons, but in the buyout market (theres nobody that will give Memphis anything of significance for him), and we would be giving up Frank AND a 2nd??
Also, like Pawel pointed out, we would be taking alot of salary back, which would push us past the tax, and being we used the BAE we cant go into the tax, so we would either have 9-10 players for the rest of the season (illegal in NBA), or this trade would be dead unless its Niko going out..
ETA: Also, Memphis wouldnt be able to send out a 1st until 2023 as their 2019 pick is already involved in a trade
Traded • Jeff Green in a 3-team trade with Grizzlies, Pelicans for • Tayshaun Prince • Austin Rivers •first round pick (from Grizzlies) (at least 2 years after Grizzlies convey a first round pick to Cavaliers from prior trade) (protected top 10 in 2017, top 12 in 2018, top 8 in 2019, top 6 in 2020, unprotected in 2021) (?-?) on 2015-01-12
Also, like Pawel pointed out, we would be taking alot of salary back, which would push us past the tax, and being we used the BAE we cant go into the tax, so we would either have 9-10 players for the rest of the season (illegal in NBA), or this trade would be dead unless its Niko going out..
ETA: Also, Memphis wouldnt be able to send out a 1st until 2023 as their 2019 pick is already involved in a trade
Traded • Jeff Green in a 3-team trade with Grizzlies, Pelicans for • Tayshaun Prince • Austin Rivers •first round pick (from Grizzlies) (at least 2 years after Grizzlies convey a first round pick to Cavaliers from prior trade) (protected top 10 in 2017, top 12 in 2018, top 8 in 2019, top 6 in 2020, unprotected in 2021) (?-?) on 2015-01-12
This post was edited on 1/9/19 at 2:28 am
Posted on 1/9/19 at 3:39 am to PeliPelifactory
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This post was edited on 1/9/19 at 3:44 am
Posted on 1/9/19 at 3:59 am to Ryan3232
Virtually the whole team gutted and only one player who's guaranteed to play?
Starting 5 would be playing 48 minutes a game each
Keep Jackson or add another 1st?
Starting 5 would be playing 48 minutes a game each
Keep Jackson or add another 1st?
This post was edited on 1/9/19 at 4:02 am
Posted on 1/9/19 at 4:17 am to PeliPelifactory
Have no idea about the other stuff, but the one thing I can confirm is that the team is doing everything it can to move Randle instead of Niko, but obviously Washington and other teams prefer Niko. Pels need to hope either Washington eventually settles for Randle or a 3rd team values Randle and is willing to give something of value up for him that the Pels can move to Washington
Posted on 1/9/19 at 5:38 am to Crewz
Chandler Parsons can’t play.
I don’t know why this is being discussed.
This team is better off not depleting the cupboard for Beal. That won’t get us into the playoffs
We need two fringe starters/rotation players. Then we have an elite starting unit (net rating wise) and depth.
Even with 8 seed I’d like our chances against the Nuggets with two smaller pieces and our current squad.
I don’t know why this is being discussed.
This team is better off not depleting the cupboard for Beal. That won’t get us into the playoffs
We need two fringe starters/rotation players. Then we have an elite starting unit (net rating wise) and depth.
Even with 8 seed I’d like our chances against the Nuggets with two smaller pieces and our current squad.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 6:20 am to ThanosIsADemocrat
You are thinking about this year. The Pels are thinking about keeping AD first and foremost. If they trade for Bral, I don't think they trade AD regardless of what happens this year. They tell him they have a core of him, Jrue, Beal, and Niko and they are gonna take the league by storm next season.
Then, come January, if the team is dominating, you keep AD and sell him on signing the following summer with a cast as good as any he can join elsewhere. If not, you trade him in Jan or Feb for a very similar haul that you can get this summer
That's plan A as of this moment
Then, come January, if the team is dominating, you keep AD and sell him on signing the following summer with a cast as good as any he can join elsewhere. If not, you trade him in Jan or Feb for a very similar haul that you can get this summer
That's plan A as of this moment
Posted on 1/9/19 at 6:46 am to LouisianaJoseph
quote:
I don't understand how Memphis dumping Parsons on us means Washington deserves another 1st rd pick. That's ridiculous.
You’re looking at this wrong. Washington doesn’t have to trade Beal. They “deserve” 2 1sts because that’s the price that will make them give up their most valuable trade asset today.
The question to be asking is why are the Pels allegedly considering taking on Parsons and going into the tax to put a 2nd 1st in the deal instead of using their own future 1st? Is there some mandate from the top? Maybe constructing such an unpalatable deal is to show Loomis that giving up 2 1sts isn’t the worst thing Demps could do.
Also, Frank and a 2nd to take on Parsons terrible contract? I’m sorry but you don’t give up value to take on bad contracts. That plus the tax implications pawel calculated says to me this doesn’t pass the sniff test. This is too stupid of a trade to troll us with so you should tell your source to stop messing with you. Again, the only reason to actually discuss this is if it’s an intentionally stupid trade designed to loosen limits from above. Or maybe it's about working Washington. "We really tried, but my boss won't let me trade Niko and 2 1sts. If you want the 2 1sts it has to be Randle."
This post was edited on 1/9/19 at 7:14 am
Posted on 1/9/19 at 7:35 am to Crewz
That’s a terrible plan A,imo.
If we are about building a stronger culture, Getting in now against a favorable matchup(ie anyone but GSW) in the playoffs with picks in hand, new found depth(as AD is currently talking about all of our injuries), developing young talent(Frank & Jah) a 3rd Star and personal friend that AD recruited off the bench, imo is a better play.
Baze and Dedmon with the top 6, Frank and Jah is a dangerous deep team that has the depth this year to make the WCF in the right bracket.
Winning. Building the legacy.
Beal-Holiday-Niko-AD is an awesome core...and what’s left next year? No picks to replenish roster(foundational problem with this franchise) Payton gone, Randle gone(either way gone most likely).
So we’re top heavy without young players on cheap contracts...
& we’re going to dip into the tax to pay guys 5-9? How deep are we going? Beal @ PG? Starting SF? Back up Rim Protector?
Beal is another star player. I get it. But he’s not like Boogie taking some of the load off AD personally...more like taking load off Jrue(which does have value)
But the very same questions about the foundation of this franchise are still up if the mega package for Beal is thrown up there.
With all the injuries that he’s talked about in The Athletic interview, the NBC sports article referring to the football medical staff, AD and Jrue carrying an unsustainable workload this season(the same kind that had Boogie exhausted and likely led to his injury)...sound depth is the play.
And absolutely NO to trading for Chandler No Knees Parsons
If we are about building a stronger culture, Getting in now against a favorable matchup(ie anyone but GSW) in the playoffs with picks in hand, new found depth(as AD is currently talking about all of our injuries), developing young talent(Frank & Jah) a 3rd Star and personal friend that AD recruited off the bench, imo is a better play.
Baze and Dedmon with the top 6, Frank and Jah is a dangerous deep team that has the depth this year to make the WCF in the right bracket.
Winning. Building the legacy.
Beal-Holiday-Niko-AD is an awesome core...and what’s left next year? No picks to replenish roster(foundational problem with this franchise) Payton gone, Randle gone(either way gone most likely).
So we’re top heavy without young players on cheap contracts...
& we’re going to dip into the tax to pay guys 5-9? How deep are we going? Beal @ PG? Starting SF? Back up Rim Protector?
Beal is another star player. I get it. But he’s not like Boogie taking some of the load off AD personally...more like taking load off Jrue(which does have value)
But the very same questions about the foundation of this franchise are still up if the mega package for Beal is thrown up there.
With all the injuries that he’s talked about in The Athletic interview, the NBC sports article referring to the football medical staff, AD and Jrue carrying an unsustainable workload this season(the same kind that had Boogie exhausted and likely led to his injury)...sound depth is the play.
And absolutely NO to trading for Chandler No Knees Parsons
Posted on 1/9/19 at 7:57 am to ThanosIsADemocrat
You're not getting a Bazemore/Solo swap for 2nds this year. He still has a year left on his deal so Atlanta would just wait until next year if it can't get a 1st out of him.
If Payton is a good fit next to Jrue/Beal you can keep him with the MLE. But you're right, that's a top heavy roster and we've seen that most of Demps' time here. Unless you have Portland's injury luck it won't win enough to keep AD around.
I think I see where the Parsons move makes sense though (they still shouldn't get Frank and a 2nd as change back for the 1st though). You give up your 2019 pick in this deal but not a 2021 pick. That means your 2020 pick is in play next year. You could flip Parsons, who would be expiring, and that pick for depth. Maybe this summer make the trade and get back say Bazemore and Bembry for Parsons/1st.
Payton/Frazier
Jrue/Bazemore
Beal/Bembry/Miller
Niko/Vet min/Diallo
AD/Okafor
So essentially you traded
Randle/Moore/Frank/2 1sts/2nd for
Beal/Bazemore/Bembry/Solo dump
And like I said, I think Frank/2nd being in that deal is unjustified. Memphis already made the mistake of "separating" with Parsons, they have no leverage.
That team is thin up front unless you get a solid vet minimum FA, and you still don't have a legit starting caliber 6'8 3 and D wing, but you have quite a lot everywhere else.
quote:
Beal-Holiday-Niko-AD is an awesome core...and what’s left next year? No picks to replenish roster(foundational problem with this franchise) Payton gone, Randle gone(either way gone most likely).
If Payton is a good fit next to Jrue/Beal you can keep him with the MLE. But you're right, that's a top heavy roster and we've seen that most of Demps' time here. Unless you have Portland's injury luck it won't win enough to keep AD around.
I think I see where the Parsons move makes sense though (they still shouldn't get Frank and a 2nd as change back for the 1st though). You give up your 2019 pick in this deal but not a 2021 pick. That means your 2020 pick is in play next year. You could flip Parsons, who would be expiring, and that pick for depth. Maybe this summer make the trade and get back say Bazemore and Bembry for Parsons/1st.
Payton/Frazier
Jrue/Bazemore
Beal/Bembry/Miller
Niko/Vet min/Diallo
AD/Okafor
So essentially you traded
Randle/Moore/Frank/2 1sts/2nd for
Beal/Bazemore/Bembry/Solo dump
And like I said, I think Frank/2nd being in that deal is unjustified. Memphis already made the mistake of "separating" with Parsons, they have no leverage.
That team is thin up front unless you get a solid vet minimum FA, and you still don't have a legit starting caliber 6'8 3 and D wing, but you have quite a lot everywhere else.
This post was edited on 1/9/19 at 8:07 am
Posted on 1/9/19 at 8:00 am to Crewz
I wonder if they could work a 4 team with Atlanta and Cleveland where we only give up 1-1st rounder.
Atlanta gets: Kevin Love
Cleveland gets: Mahinmi, Hill
Wash gets: Bazemore, Randle, Wes 2019 Pels 1st
Pels get: Beal, Dedmond
Rumors are circulating that Cleveland is regretting giving Love that deal and may look to get out of it before the deadline.. Atlanta has no real "star" player so they get to aquire one to help their young guys, and they could Love the year and still get their tank on for the Zion sweepstakes.
Atlanta gets: Kevin Love
Cleveland gets: Mahinmi, Hill
Wash gets: Bazemore, Randle, Wes 2019 Pels 1st
Pels get: Beal, Dedmond
Rumors are circulating that Cleveland is regretting giving Love that deal and may look to get out of it before the deadline.. Atlanta has no real "star" player so they get to aquire one to help their young guys, and they could Love the year and still get their tank on for the Zion sweepstakes.
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