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NOSHAU
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Lemme help you.. not gonna happen, Chandler Parsons has been injured and refused a rehab assignment. You’d literally trade away your entire second team, you’re losing frank and Moore who both have upside, and you’re losing your first. This is an awful scenario, I understand the appeal of Bradley Beal, but Parsons is an absolute joke. No need to trade for someone who’s probably going to be released, be better off to trade for Justin Holiday and Bradley Beal.


I certainly would not give Memphis Jackson and a 2nd in a deal for Parsons. I would send them Ian Clark/Diallo instead. If we are taking on his contract, we should not be giving up value.


504Voodoo
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Refusing a GLeague assignment...Parsons has always had a prima-donna attitude. Plenty of guys with better careers hit the Gleague.


In his defense, they wanted to send him down indefinitely. I wouldn't sign up for that either if I was him.


TigerinATL
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Dell is making us take Parsons, either way.


Yeah, but you were focusing on Washington not deserving 2 1sts because of something Dell would have been choosing to do. The Pels choosing to complicate the deal shouldn't make Washington obligated to lower their asking price.

I have extreme reservations about it too. The only way it seems remotely rational is if he already has a 2nd deal lined up for the summer like I mentioned. Stop focusing on Parsons for a minute, if you had to choose between

Randle/Moore/Johnson/2019 1st/2021 1st for Beal

OR

Randle/Moore/Johnson/Diallo/Solo/2019 1st/2020 1st for Beal/Bazemore/Bembry but you had to have Parsons contract on the books for 3 months before you could turn him into 2 rotation players like Bazemore and Bembry, which would you take?

The 2nd one gives up less valuable 1sts, and uses the 1sts in a way that lets you also turn Solo into usable players instead of just using the 1sts to get Beal. But that only happens if you're willing to temporarily take on Parsons.

I'm not saying that's what Demps has planned, but it's the only way it makes sense to complicate the deal.
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2021 1st

remember that it is possible that the one/done rule may be gone which could greatly affect the 2021 draft...making it a 2-fer (2020 freshmen plus 2021 high-school seniors in the same draft)

that has to be taken in account when valuing that pick, not to mention that the pels may very well be terrible by then


TigerinATL
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Yeah, I thought the rumor was complete BS when the OP posted it, but the more you peel back the layers and what it allows you to do, it makes me think it's legitimately one of the options they're exploring.
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cgrand
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Yeah, I thought the rumor was complete BS when the OP posted it

it appeared (the rumor) just after parsons was "furloughed"...we are far along enough now in 2018/19 that this year's salary for him would be spent no matter what

next year he is owed $25MM, then he expires. if you get ANYTHING from him, even just 2nd unit scoring, this year and beginning of next, he would be moveable. and even if you dont, we are looking at a tax bill just for next year

i would rather take parsons that give up the 2nd 1st round pick. i agree that FJ/2nd is too much as an alternative, should be diallo instead

something else re: the griz

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With Dillon Brooks out for the year, further reason for Celtics fans to keep an eye on Memphis. He's a regular rotation player when healthy. Reminder that Boston owns the Grizzlies first round pick if it lands 9-30. 1-8 and Memphis keeps it and it rolls to 2020 w/ 1-6 protection.


MEM has some incentive to be bad, this year AND next. maybe (just maybe) the pels could pry loose another good player along with parsons
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BallHawk
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Can't trade for Holiday I assume because of aggregation rules, so maybe Garrett Temple or Shelvin Mack (to give a backup PG as part of potential Beal deal)?


cgrand
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either would help this pels team, and neither is a future piece for the griz. and hell, lets dream BIG...

marc gasol has effectively the same money left as does parsons (2020 is a PO at 25MM). what would/could that trade look like?



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NOFOX
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I certainly would not give Memphis Jackson and a 2nd in a deal for Parsons. I would send them Ian Clark/Diallo instead. If we are taking on his contract, we should not be giving up value.


Think about the Parsons portion of the trade as this:

MEM: Solo + Frank + 2020 2nd
NOP: MEM 1st + Parsons

So you are taking on an extra $12-13M over Solo in exchange for a future 1st. That value seems about right. I would think Frank being included is overkill.


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ThanosIsADemocrat
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Dude is getting paid, regardless.

I don’t know if Parsons or his advisors are fooling themselves, but he’s not getting another big deal in his career.

If he wants to play and he really is healthy, torching the GLeague can only be a good thing. If he played 10 games down there and looked good of course he’d be back in the league.

After all his missed time, he does have to prove he can stay on the court.


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504Voodoo
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That's fair


PeliPelifactory
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Everyone is looking from Pels perspective, see it from Grizz
Giving a first to unload Parsons and still taking back Hill contract is not preferable for Grizz, their main hold up
Might as well hold onto him or work a buyout


TigerinATL
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I could live with giving them a 2nd but not Frank too. And if they buy Parsons out have fun saving only $1 million or so.


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NOSHAU
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Everyone is looking from Pels perspective, see it from Grizz
Giving a first to unload Parsons and still taking back Hill contract is not preferable for Grizz, their main hold up
Might as well hold onto him or work a buyout


But they would be saving about $12-$14 million by taking Hill instead of Parsons. That is certainly worth a protected 1st. Parsons is not going to give them that big of a discount on a buyout.
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NOSHAU
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With Dillon Brooks out for the year, further reason for Celtics fans to keep an eye on Memphis. He's a regular rotation player when healthy. Reminder that Boston owns the Grizzlies first round pick if it lands 9-30. 1-8 and Memphis keeps it and it rolls to 2020 w/ 1-6 protection.


If this is true, then Memphis cannot send their 2020 pick to Washington currently.


Soggymoss
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As I said earlier, Memphis cant send a pick until 2023 until the pick they have involved in the trade to Boston conveys, so all this Memphis can send a 1st and we take Parsons wont happen
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Dantheman504
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The fact is that if Wash wants 2 1st, Mem are trading Parsons and a 1st to us so we can aquire Beal. If 2 1st is what Wash want and theres no other options, its stupid not to take it.


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cgrand
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In the trade, the Grizzlies send forward Tayshaun Prince to Boston and forward Quincy Pondexter to New Orleans. The Grizzlies also acquired point guard Russ Smith, a 2014 second-round pick, from New Orleans, and a traded player exception. The Pelicans send Austin Rivers, the 10th overall pick in 2012, to Boston in the deal. Memphis also sends a 2015 second-round pick to New Orleans and a protected future first round pick to Boston.


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2019 first round draft pick from Memphis Memphis' 1st round pick to Boston protected for selections 1-8 in 2019 and 1-6 in 2020 and unprotected in 2021 [Boston-Memphis-New Orleans, 1/12/2015]

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BallHawk
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Couldn't they make the language state something like 7-15 protected unless the other pick conveys to make it lottery protected?


Soggymoss
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No, because you cant trade 1st round picks in back to back years (stepian rule), so if their 2019 pick doesnt convey, then their 2020 goes to Boston as a protected top 6 or whatever.. So until the pick actually conveys and is made, they cannot involve the year before or after's pick

Now if it was worded that 2019 their pick is top 8 protected, and if it doesnt convey then in 2020 Boston recieves 2-2nd rounders, then Memphis could do the language as "Pick goes to NOP if its 1-8, otherwise it goes to Boston, then NOP recieves 2021 1st" (couldnt do 2020 until the 2019 pick is actually made because its consecutive years)
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