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re: Explain to me how Orgeron was an upgrade over Miles.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:31 pm to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:31 pm to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
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Explain to me how Orgeron was an upgrade over Miles.
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If Miles was still there LSU would not be 8 and 2. At best 7 and 3
There is absolutely no possible way to know this.
You're absolutely right, there isn't. But you do admit we would not be 10-0 or even 9-1 right? And you may not agree with it but the fact is Miles did not get fired bc we thought we would have an immediate upgrade, he got fired because we knew we would never see a change and people don't get excited about being second best every year fanbases get excited about the legitimate chance at being the very best in a few years.
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Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:35 pm to ParrishGore
quote:Last few years?
This was Miles problem the last few years of his tenure when he hired Studrawa and then Cameron.
Studs was part of the 2007 SEC Champ/NC staff, plus OC for the 2011 team that won another SEC Champ and played in another NC.
Studs and Cameron have been OC for 2 of the Top 5 scoring offenses in LSU history.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:36 pm to sabanisarustedspoke
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And you may not agree with it but the fact is Miles did not get fired bc we thought we would have an immediate upgrade, he got fired because we knew we would never see a change and people don't get excited about being second best every year fanbases get excited about the legitimate chance at being the very best in a few years
Then why did we hire Orgeron?
He's the one who said the goal was to have a championship program "very fast".
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:47 pm to nvasil1
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He's the one who said the goal was to have a championship program "very fast".
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:48 pm to Mayhawman
stud gets alot of flack but i liked him he is back with CUm now at OSU
Posted on 11/11/18 at 10:18 pm to Fat Bastard
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stud gets alot of flack but i liked him
Agreed. It's not like Les promoted him like Orgeron did with Ensminger.
Stud got thrown into it due to the unfortunate situation with Kragthorpe. He did admirably, considering the circumstances.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 10:24 pm to nvasil1
i was talking about as o line coach
but yeah he was not bad running miles' offense especially very efficient in 2011
but yeah he was not bad running miles' offense especially very efficient in 2011
Posted on 11/11/18 at 10:26 pm to Fat Bastard
Sorry, wasn't following. Agree with that sentiment too.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 12:31 am to nvasil1
This is such a solid post, it needs to be added here.
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THE GOOD
-Turnovers Lost (ranked 9th nationally, 1st SEC)
-Time of Possession (ranked 30th nationally, 2nd SEC)
-4th down conversions (ranked 9th nationally, 1st SEC)
-Field goals made (ranked 2nd nationally, 1st SEC)
THE BAD
-Scoring Offense (ranked 86th nationally, 8th SEC)
-Rushing offense (ranked 63rd nationally, 9th SEC)
-First downs (ranked 86th nationally, 9th SEC)
-3rd down conversions (ranked 98th nationally, 11th SEC)
-Overall Red zone scoring % (ranked 53rd nationally, 8th SEC)
-10+ yard rushing plays (ranked 63rd nationally, 9th SEC)
THE UGLY
-Red zone TD % (ranked 129th nationally, LAST in SEC)
-Total offense (ranked 104th nationally, 11th SEC)
-Passing offense (ranked 101st nationally, 12th SEC)
-Sacks allowed (ranked 98th nationally, 13th SEC)
-10+ yard plays (ranked 113th nationally, LAST in SEC)
-10+ yard pass plays (ranked 111th nationally, 13th SEC)
Posted on 11/12/18 at 12:50 am to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
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You honestly don't believe there were plenty of candidates, with better coaching resumes than Orgeron when he was hired?
you honestly don't believe there was NO inquiring about candidates, and NO money/effort spent for the search on the most important hire? A hire thats was buzzing so hard there was a meeting at halftime in 2015 A&M game. What else were all the people paid doing besides, market research, evaluate prospective interest, exhaust means to get top targets, etc..
Posted on 11/12/18 at 1:02 am to tiger in the gump
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you honestly don't believe there was NO inquiring about candidates, and NO money/effort spent for the search on the most important hire?
Honestly, no I don't believe there was much of a search. If you have been around this board during those times, there is constantly names leaking. No search has gone by without at least a few posters nailing the hire. All you heard was Jimbo, Herman and Orgeron.
Did they do any other research? I'm sure they did, but there were 3 candidates for the job considered, and that's it.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 2:28 am to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
To my eyes, the current Tigers are among the best-coached teams around. Penalties and busted plays are down, kicking/special teams play has gone from poor to great, turnover margin may lead nation. Game and clock management angst has disappeared from discussion. Record has exceeded preseason forecast. Only a handful of teams doing better and they'll all be in the playoffs. What is lacking, hopefully to no one's surprise, is superior or Sunday-caliber talent on the offense. The line is mediocre and the skill guys are pedestrian. They're probably getting close to the most out of what they have and who they are. Miles' later teams had better physical material that suffered from poor grooming. These aren't things I know, just what I've seen.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 3:51 am to Tiger Ree
miles scored more points against Bama in one game than O has in three games.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 8:27 am to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
I'm no coach and many of you on here can analyze the plays called and what did or didn't happen on every play. For me I enjoy the entertainment of the game.
But I think I can tell the differences in the attitude of a team. As Saban is the example of what most coaches would like to emulate, I don't see that same fire in Coach O and Steve E. Saban wants and gets 60 minutes of football whether the starting unit is in or the reserves or in. Surely that attitude is picked up by the players.
I'm sure there's more to the current play than just the attitude but for me it's a big issue. I wished we could have gotten more proven coaches at HC and OC but I supported both of them until this last game.
While I was never a star in the game, the philosophy was to play for 60 minutes whether it was 60 to 0 and no matter whether it was the starting unit or the reserves. Maybe it's just me? I'll just go back to reading!
But I think I can tell the differences in the attitude of a team. As Saban is the example of what most coaches would like to emulate, I don't see that same fire in Coach O and Steve E. Saban wants and gets 60 minutes of football whether the starting unit is in or the reserves or in. Surely that attitude is picked up by the players.
I'm sure there's more to the current play than just the attitude but for me it's a big issue. I wished we could have gotten more proven coaches at HC and OC but I supported both of them until this last game.
While I was never a star in the game, the philosophy was to play for 60 minutes whether it was 60 to 0 and no matter whether it was the starting unit or the reserves. Maybe it's just me? I'll just go back to reading!
Posted on 11/12/18 at 8:33 am to geauxtigers34
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miles scored more points against Bama in one game than O has in three games.
and yet he only scored 9 pts in 8+ qtrs with probably our best team ever
Posted on 11/12/18 at 8:39 am to nedped
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To my eyes, the current Tigers are among the best-coached teams around
I'm pretty sure you are blind then.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 8:42 am to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
99% of y'all wanted Miles fired. Now you want O fired. You'll want the next SOB fired. By then, I'll be gone and it won't matter but my grandsons will probably want that guy fired.
Fickle bunch, all who predicted LSU would be at the bottom of the SEC this year.
When O took over and Ensminger threw to a tight end after all those Les years you were shouting from the roof top.
Never happy.
Now, if we DON'T improve next year...........
Fickle bunch, all who predicted LSU would be at the bottom of the SEC this year.
When O took over and Ensminger threw to a tight end after all those Les years you were shouting from the roof top.
Never happy.
Now, if we DON'T improve next year...........
Posted on 11/12/18 at 8:45 am to Topwater Trout
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and yet he only scored 9 pts in 8+ qtrs with probably our best team ever
Which was good enough for a win in Tuscaloosa. But cling on to your two home shut outs against them. We comin!
Posted on 11/12/18 at 8:48 am to FreeState
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Now you want O fired
There is 12 pages. If you could find where I said I wanted Orgeron fired anywhere in this thread, I'll never post again.
Just because I think he never should have been hired, doesn't mean I think he is at the point of firing.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 8:50 am to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
Has a Cajun accent ? Better clock management?
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