re: Explain to me how Orgeron was an upgrade over Miles.

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He's cheaper?

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Actually not.....we are now paying Miles AND Ogeron.

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IF IF IF....every counter argument is based on the fact that LSU will beat aTm. What if they don't?

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than Coach O has one more chance to deliver a solid season or we go searching elsewhere. In my mind Coach O bought himself at-least one more chance with the showing this season, but another 5-3 SEC showing or worse we may need to do another coaching search.

Basically, the argument I've seen that Miles is better than O is as follows

Miles shouldn't have been fired in 2016, insert reason here
Coach O hasn't done anything yet and looked horrible vs Bama.
Therefore Coach O sucks

Based on what I've seen, Coach O is a great motivator of his players, they love to play for him.

We won three games we were not supposed to win. Miami (who ended up not being that good) Auburn (same thing) and Georgia (who controls their own destiny to the playoffs)

Looking back at 2017 his first year wasn't great but he still had some signs he could put together a good team.

Beat Auburn who was legit that year, they beat Bama and could have been in the playoff if it wasn't for Georgia.

Florida was ranked high when we played them and beat them at their place. They sucked the rest of the year but a step in the right direction.

The Troy game SUCKED but that was clearly a fluke not a sign of things to come.

Based on how LSU has performed to this point, Coach O is doing a good enough job to keep his job. We are not where we need to be that is clear, but we need to give him time.

Is he an upgrade over Les pre 1/9/2012 no, Les post 1/9/2012 yes.

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Do you realize that we are one of the Top 10 teams in the country? Where must we be ranked before you can accept our coach?

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Let alone we were picked to finish 5th in the west. Probably around a 4-4 SEC record. At worst we finish 3rd in the west now. (which wouldn't be great)

We don't have an extremely talented team this year but we are still playing very well.

Keep in Mind we don't have a stud running back, our WR are very inconsistent and our D outside of the secondary has depth issues. Also the O-line can't pass block.

Number 5 SOS in 2015 and all of them before were canibalistic losses dumbass. 40th SOS in 207... GTFO of here.

Les Miles had grown stale and even his own players knew it. They quit on him time and time again after the Bama loss towards the end of his tenure. He would not change his beliefs. Orgeron has at least made many many changes for the better so far. He's shown he can make most adjustments, handle clock issues, teams are more disciplined and special teams is 100 times better. There obviously needs to be some more changes, but he has not been so stuck in his ways that he won't make those changes if need be. We shall see.

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Les Miles had grown stale and even his own players knew it

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Again, I stated in the very first line that it was time for Miles to go.

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Orgeron has at least made many many changes for the better so far.

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Hiring Ensminger was a change for the better?

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handle clock issues

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Not when he isn't smart enough to kneel it when his RB falls down to try to ice the game. Like it or not, that's a clock management issue. Otherwise, I agree, he has been good.

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Basically, the argument I've seen that Miles is better than O is as follows Miles shouldn't have been fired in 2016, insert reason here Coach O hasn't done anything yet and looked horrible vs Bama. Therefore Coach O sucks

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then you haven’t been paying attention.

people are actually saying that Miles was justly fired. Actually if anything fired too late.

however, what we are currently seeing has not been an improvement.

and if it was a fireable offense for the previous regime, then it should not be applauded by this one.

Miles had a few good years then when Saban talent depleted his coaching came into play and it sucked

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I'm sorry. I didn't realize our goal was to get the same results for a cheaper price. If that's the case, then mission accomplished.

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Do you like to overpay for things? Wanna know how I know you're a "fries with that" kinda person?