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re: Trump's ridiculous military parade now set to cost $92M -- UPDATE: Delayed until 2019
Posted on 8/16/18 at 2:50 pm to AbuTheMonkey
Posted on 8/16/18 at 2:50 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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I would hardly call Centinel, northshore, and myself liberals based on what I've seen
It's fun being a libertarian. One day I'm an alt-right nazi racist bigot, the next day I'm a cuck proggy liberal.
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Posted on 8/16/18 at 2:50 pm to Centinel
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that in no way was part of the job
Your job is to follow the orders of your superiors and the commanderinchief. Is it not?
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That's straight up illegal.
You can argue it either way.
I said OK and did what was asked of me. Now I am close to running the entire company and I have been promoted and given raises multiple times over people who pissed and moaned and complained every time they were asked to do something by a superior that they didn't feel like doing. People like that tend to wallow in mediocrity.
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It's still part of your job.
It is not in my job title or description, but I am a member of a company and obeying my boss and helping to grow the company is good for everyone.
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Now prepping for a pointless fricking parade that takes away from the tasks you need to complete for your actual job? Ya that pisses folks off.
So I'll ask you again, it is your position that 40 or so hours spread out over two weeks is so detrimental to your job as a soldier as to render the entirety of those two weeks meaningless and leave you unprepared?
Posted on 8/16/18 at 2:50 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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It's gotten to the point where reasonable people now just want yall to shut the frick up regardless of what Trump did or didn't do
If you think you’re a reasonable person, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 2:51 pm to CoachChappy
It be stupid.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 2:51 pm to rbWarEagle
Regardless of the cost, the IDEA of such a parade so Trump can appear like an autocrat reviewing his troops is un-American. Just another example of how Donald J. Trump is debasing the US into some kind of banana republic.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 2:52 pm to Centinel
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It's fun being a libertarian. One day I'm an alt-right nazi racist bigot, the next day I'm a cuck proggy liberal.
I know those feelsPosted on 8/16/18 at 2:52 pm to Centinel
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There is no value add to the "company" as it where.
Exposure, recruitment and funding are values to the military are they not?
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Whereas even your example above is a value add to the company...if not a great way to market who you are and what you do.
Sitting in a booth in an arena with my company logo above me is pretty close to marching around the streets behind a banner. They serve the same purpose. Get your name out there and remind people that you exist.
This post was edited on 8/16/18 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 8/16/18 at 2:54 pm to GeorgeWest
Absolutely agree. This is another one of those topics that separates the sycophants from the reasonable conservatives.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 2:58 pm to DallasTiger11
This is the white third world saber rattles do. This is so beneath the American military.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 2:58 pm to GeorgeWest
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Regardless of the cost, the IDEA of such a parade so Trump can appear like an autocrat reviewing his troops is un-American.
Agreed. It could be fricking free and not take any time away from the soldiers, and I would still be against it. This is the shite dictators do. France is an exception, but there are no exceptions for dictators. They all have military parades. The optics are just awful.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 2:59 pm to Kentucker
I expect the reviewing stand to provide a lot of discussion when the time comes. I wonder if the Pumpkin is reviewing tape of his buddy, Kim, for some ideas. But,nah, nothing can top the Third Reich grandeur in Berlin back in the day.
I don’t really have a problem with a military parade, but this seems to be a lot about Trump’s ego and politics
I don’t really have a problem with a military parade, but this seems to be a lot about Trump’s ego and politics
This post was edited on 8/16/18 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 8/16/18 at 3:00 pm to Nguyener
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Your job is to follow the orders of your superiors and the commanderinchief. Is it not?
And that in know way changes the fact the parade is a massive waste of time and resources that will impact the training of all units involved.
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You can argue it either way.
Nah, it's straight up illegal if you were working overtime hourly. That's a good way for the company to get in deep shite and your boss should never have even brought it up, or told you straight up no/paid you overtime when you volunteered. Hopefully you'll run the company better (no sarcasm here).
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I have been promoted and given raises multiple times over people who pissed and moaned and complained every time they were asked to do something by a superior that they didn't feel like doing. People like that tend to wallow in mediocrity.
And it was my job to shield my soldiers from as much non-training bullshite as I could. I wasn't always successful, but sometimes I was. And my soldiers appreciated the hell out of it. And because of that, when I did ask them to stay late, work the weekend, etc. there was no issue because they knew I'd never ask them to unless it was important.
As a military leader, your duty is to look after your troops, maximize their training time, minimize the bullshite, and make sure you're the most effective unit you can be.
THAT is why this parade pisses me off. It shits all over the above for a photo op for Trump.
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It is not in my job title or description, but I am a member of a company and obeying my boss and helping to grow the company is good for everyone.
And I agree 100%. And I'm saying the time and resources spent on this parade does nothing for growing the "company" and is good for no one in uniform present.
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So I'll ask you again, it is your position that 40 or so hours spread out over two weeks is so detrimental to your job as a soldier as to render the entirety of those two weeks meaningless and leave you unprepared?
First, it won't be just 40 or so hours over two weeks. Second, it depends where the unit is in their training cycle. Did they just come home from a deployment? Are they getting ready to deploy? Are they going to or coming from a NTC/JRTC rotation?
Posted on 8/16/18 at 3:01 pm to northshorebamaman
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Lost in this back and forth is that the conversation started because some claimed it would be a "morale booster". Personally, I'm not arguing that they shouldn't have to do it. If they're ordered to do so, they should and they will. I'm arguing that it's not a "morale booster".
For the general public it is. History shows that.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 3:03 pm to Centinel
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You're not getting what I'm trying to say. All that time was wasted on performing an activity that in no way was part of the job
Evidently it is part of the job or they would not be doing it during training, ceremonies...etc
Posted on 8/16/18 at 3:03 pm to Nguyener
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Exposure, recruitment and funding are values to the military are they not?
The military in this country needs no exposure. If anything there is too much exposure.
It may help recruitment. It may hinder.
Funding is not a military "value". It's simply the resources required to operate. This parade squanders them.
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Sitting in a booth in an arena with my company logo above me is pretty close to marching around the streets behind a banner.
Did you get to discuss what you did? What your role was? What the company could provide to customers?
Ya, well, soldiers marching in a line do none of this.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 3:03 pm to Jjdoc
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For the general public it is. History shows that.
I was addressing the people who said it would be a morale booster for the soldiers but thanks for the input.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 3:05 pm to Centinel
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A parade means a soldier is just a cog, walking in a line, doing nothing productive. There is no value add to the "company" as it where. Whereas even your example above is a value add to the company...if not a great way to market who you are and what you do.
There is value to it. It may inspire the next Gen Patton!
Posted on 8/16/18 at 3:06 pm to Jjdoc
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For the general public it is. History shows that.
I’m willing to bet you don’t know what the Triple Entente is on the top of your head.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 3:08 pm to OMLandshark
This thread delivered way more than I was expecting.
Some serious Trumpkin melting going on in here.
Some serious Trumpkin melting going on in here.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 3:09 pm to DallasTiger11
You are a "waste" of a person.....
Screw all the Snowflakes I happen to like parades...
You and the DEMs stop all the illegal aliens and the GOP will stop their military parades.....
Screw all the Snowflakes I happen to like parades...
You and the DEMs stop all the illegal aliens and the GOP will stop their military parades.....
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