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Posted on 8/14/18 at 9:10 am to AlxTgr
If blended then it’ll be fine as long as it’s in moderation and expended in energy.
I’d strained or juiced then the fiber from the fruit will be removed. This will make the sugar absorption be immediate and go straight into storage (fat).
The fiber in the fruit slows absorption and makes the energy be regulated throughout the day.
I’d strained or juiced then the fiber from the fruit will be removed. This will make the sugar absorption be immediate and go straight into storage (fat).
The fiber in the fruit slows absorption and makes the energy be regulated throughout the day.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 9:28 am to AlxTgr
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Oh good grief. You post here too?
Not sure what personal issues you may have with me (you seem to be stepping on a lot of toes in this thread alone, so maybe it's not me), but I'm not sure how that affects my statement. You're describing a smoothie that's loaded with sugar.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 9:31 am to Mo Jeaux
I am pretty sure you knew I meant, no added sugar. Lots of smoothies have added sugar or honey or some other sweetener. You just took this opportunity to be a douche and appear smart. I mean, does anyone not know that fruits have sugars? I don't have a problem with you-you have a problem with people and message boards.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 9:31 am to Mo Jeaux
Oh and...
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You're describing a smoothie that's loaded with sugar.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 9:33 am to AlxTgr
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I am pretty sure you knew I meant, no added sugar. Lots of smoothies have added sugar or honey or some other sweetener. You just took this opportunity to be a douche and appear smart. I mean, does anyone not know that fruits have sugars? I don't have a problem with you-you have a problem with people and message boards.
I think a lot of these guys are hard headed dick heads, but he's right there's a lot of sugar and really no point in it being in there.
This post was edited on 8/14/18 at 9:34 am
Posted on 8/14/18 at 9:34 am to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:Huh?
I think a lot of these guys are hard headed dick heads, but he's right there's a lot of sugar and really no point in it being in there.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 9:40 am to AlxTgr
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You just took this opportunity to be a douche and appear smart.
Jesus, you’re pretty sensitive.
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I don't have a problem with you-you have a problem with people and message boards.
What? Says the guy who asks questions and gets mad when people answer him. Enjoy your sugar smoothie, which you apparently think is healthy because it has “no added sugar”.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 9:45 am to Mo Jeaux
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What? Says the guy who asks questions and gets mad when people answer him. Enjoy your sugar smoothie, which you apparently think is healthy because it has “no added sugar”.
I never said it was healthy. I asked about them in the context of lowering cholesterol. I understand that thinking is difficult, but you should really not post if you do not get the discussion.
So, no fruit in a fruit smoothie then? Damn you're dense. This is fun. What next? No eggs in scrambled eggs?
Posted on 8/14/18 at 9:54 am to AlxTgr
Wow. Ok, sugar lowers cholesterol.
Talk about not being able to follow a conversation. Your sarcasm is noted, but it won’t shield you from your ignorance (or your sensitivity).
Talk about not being able to follow a conversation. Your sarcasm is noted, but it won’t shield you from your ignorance (or your sensitivity).
Posted on 8/14/18 at 10:13 am to lsu777
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also beef is much better for you than chicken due to omega 6 to 3 ratio.
A skin-on chicken thigh is 7:2 SFA/MUFA : PUFA, so you aren't getting a ton of any sort of PUFA there. But yeah it's about 10:1 6:3 within that.
Have you looked into the O6:3 ratio in free range versus caged and shite-fed?
Posted on 8/14/18 at 10:18 am to Shepherd88
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Damn that fat % is high, I guess that’s the trend nowadays though. Is this how you eat and do crossfit?
It isn't a "trend." If you read the well-designed and executed science from early 20th century and the people who've been following the scientific method rigorously more recently, you'll likely change your views on fat and sugar. This isn't a fad.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 10:20 am to AlxTgr
quote:OK, easy answer then: it will raise your tris and probably your cholesterol.
I asked about them in the context of lowering cholesterol
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I never said it was healthy. I asked about them in the context of lowering cholesterol.
So just so I follow you here...your questions about cholesterol are not related to health? You seem awfully confused in this thread, tough guy.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 10:24 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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I think a lot of these guys are hard headed dick heads
Haha. Mea culpa (sometimes).
Posted on 8/14/18 at 10:44 am to AlxTgr
Back to the actual OP.
First, did you doctor advise what to eat? I'm sure it was completely wrong if s/he did, but curious.
Second, I didn't see where you posted your HDL, LDL and Trig numbers. About the only thing I'd even look at (especially given your statement re "slightly elevated) is trig:HDL ratio. If that is over a 2:1 then I would order a particle test.
I would do that anyway. Most doctors will scratch their heads like monkeys when you ask for it. I noted in another thread that you can order one on walkinlab.com (actually based in Slidell I think) and go to any quest or LabCorp nationwide.
Check out Dr. Ron Krauss and Dr. Malcolm Kendrick as an entry into the real world of cholesterol and CVD.
If I were a betting man, I'd wager your doctor is just going to commit malpractice and tell you to eat a shite diet and then Rx statins.
First, did you doctor advise what to eat? I'm sure it was completely wrong if s/he did, but curious.
Second, I didn't see where you posted your HDL, LDL and Trig numbers. About the only thing I'd even look at (especially given your statement re "slightly elevated) is trig:HDL ratio. If that is over a 2:1 then I would order a particle test.
I would do that anyway. Most doctors will scratch their heads like monkeys when you ask for it. I noted in another thread that you can order one on walkinlab.com (actually based in Slidell I think) and go to any quest or LabCorp nationwide.
Check out Dr. Ron Krauss and Dr. Malcolm Kendrick as an entry into the real world of cholesterol and CVD.
If I were a betting man, I'd wager your doctor is just going to commit malpractice and tell you to eat a shite diet and then Rx statins.
This post was edited on 8/14/18 at 10:45 am
Posted on 8/14/18 at 10:47 am to AlxTgr
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Posted on 8/14/18 at 10:53 am to PeepleHeppinBidness
I don't care what institute that article came from, it isn't scientific in any way shape or form.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 10:58 am to PeepleHeppinBidness
quote:...is deeply implicated in the politics of corruption and deception on these topics. They were paid in the 60s by big sugar to say fat was the culprit. And the guy (Walter Willett) that's been in charge there for the past few decades is a complete hack who is on the take from industry and who was the "pioneer" of the absurd "mediterranean diet" schtick that was funded by the olive oil industry.
Harvard
In any event, the important thing to keep in mind is that LDL going up or down is simply unimportant. It's a nearly complete red herring.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 2:26 pm to McLemore
To the downvoters above, tell me how that article is scientific. Where are the cites? Where's the discussion of the developing science on CVD, which is the whole putative basis for "watching your cholesterol"? Recent studies on fiber, especially in context of a LCHF diet? Instead of downvoting like we're in the OT, PT or Rant, why don't you participate in the conversation and support the advice in that article?
As I said in another thread, bookmark this and check back in, in a few years when the cholesterol hypotheses that've already been on their way out the door in scientific communities, look fundamentally different.
Here are some resources--
Dr Malcolm Kendrick (Scotland) on CVD
And check out a recent podcast episode w discussion between Peter Attia (Stanford MD) and Ron Krauss (Harvard MD) on CVD.
As I said in another thread, bookmark this and check back in, in a few years when the cholesterol hypotheses that've already been on their way out the door in scientific communities, look fundamentally different.
Here are some resources--
Dr Malcolm Kendrick (Scotland) on CVD
And check out a recent podcast episode w discussion between Peter Attia (Stanford MD) and Ron Krauss (Harvard MD) on CVD.
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Whenever I’m stumped on a patient case or in my thinking about lipids, Ron is one of the first people I turn to for insight. Ron is recognized globally for his research into lipidology and has worn many hats in his career, including clinician, lipidologist, nutrition, genetics, and drug research. In this episode, we explore heart disease at its origins before diving into the highly discussed, largely misunderstood, role of LDL and inflammation in atherosclerosis. Ron also shares his insights on the evidence for and against statins and other lipid-lowering therapies. My hope is that both the curious patient and the physician can get a lot out of this episode by being more informed about dyslipidemia and the interventions used to reduce the risk of atherosclerotic disease. We covered a lot of ground on this critically important topic. We discuss: The pathogenesis of atherosclerosis [7:00]; How early atherosclerosis begins [12:40]; Ron’s motivation for getting into lipidology [43:00]; How reading an article series in the NEJM in 1967 had a profound impact on him and his career [43:30]; How PCSK9 inhibitors work and why they may be under-utilized [47:00]; Mendelian randomization: nature’s randomized trial [49:15]; The “battle” between particle size and particle number [52:00]; The use of statins [1:04:45]; The role of chronic inflammation in atherosclerosis [1:24:15]; Why niacin may have been unjustly dismissed as a therapeutic option [1:40:45]; The HDL paradox: why drugs that raise HDL-C seem to raise (or have little impact on) heart disease risk [1:43:00]; Lp(a) [1:47:45];
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This post was edited on 8/14/18 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 8/14/18 at 2:50 pm to McLemore
Y’all sure are worked up.
A little less sugar, a little lower body weight and a little more exercise. You should see the tc head down. But his ratios are good so if it was me personally I wouldn’t think about it.
My TC has always been good. As well as my HDLs. But my ldl and vldl and tris were shite five years ago.
Lost 20 lbs and exercise 3-5 times per week and all numbers are looking good. No diet changes at all
A little less sugar, a little lower body weight and a little more exercise. You should see the tc head down. But his ratios are good so if it was me personally I wouldn’t think about it.
My TC has always been good. As well as my HDLs. But my ldl and vldl and tris were shite five years ago.
Lost 20 lbs and exercise 3-5 times per week and all numbers are looking good. No diet changes at all
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