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re: Update: Gunman in parking space shooting not charged because of 'Stand Your Ground' law
Posted on 7/21/18 at 6:08 pm to heypaul
Posted on 7/21/18 at 6:08 pm to heypaul
The law is the law and if the shooter had a permit to carry (or was legally carrying the gun) the gun, then it should be an open and close case.
The shooter approached the woman in the car, which was likely illegally parked in a handicap parking spot.. Which the woman in the car and the shooter started to argue about. He boyfriend, who was in the store, comes out and aggressively pushes the man.
It is only human nature to go to whatever is around, that is the best way to defend yourself, if someone suddenly gets physically aggressive towards you.
There are two things that can be learned from this:
1. If you illegally park in a handicap parking spot, you should be aware that there are some people who gets pissed off over that and there is a chance someone might tell you something about it.
2. Before you go out and just start pushing people, you might want to sort of see what's going on first.
The shooter approached the woman in the car, which was likely illegally parked in a handicap parking spot.. Which the woman in the car and the shooter started to argue about. He boyfriend, who was in the store, comes out and aggressively pushes the man.
It is only human nature to go to whatever is around, that is the best way to defend yourself, if someone suddenly gets physically aggressive towards you.
There are two things that can be learned from this:
1. If you illegally park in a handicap parking spot, you should be aware that there are some people who gets pissed off over that and there is a chance someone might tell you something about it.
2. Before you go out and just start pushing people, you might want to sort of see what's going on first.
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Posted on 7/21/18 at 6:19 pm to TigerSaint1
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was just having this conversation yesterday with a friend. There should be a strict screening process on who can get their CC license. With not too many people out there who can make the correct decision on when to pull or not. In this situation that guy did not deserve to die, now this child will grow up without his father. Too many pu$$ies out there who can’t take an arse whooping anymore and will feel like a bad arse bcs they have their weapon on their hip, knowing if they weren’t carrying they would act like a coward.
Guns are the equalizer, and we should have access to them to be able to protect ourselves. Otherwise, whoever happens to be the biggest, physically strongest male in the bunch gets to dominate and control everyone else, and that would not be a step in the right direction. That would basically be a form of Darwinism.
Posted on 7/21/18 at 6:30 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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Idk how you were brought up, but I was taught if you’re gonna talk like that to somebody’s wife or children, you’re taking your health into your own hands.
That's not how the law works here.
When you start a physical fight no matter how justified you feel about it, you lose any right and claim to self defense and when you start a fight, you therefore accept the potential for a life ending injury resulting in death. That's what happened here with the shover and his handicap parking wife and he paid the price for it.
If your wife and kids are not at risk of physical harm, you best keep your hands to yourself.
Posted on 7/21/18 at 6:36 pm to TigerSaint1
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Too many pu$$ies out there who can’t take an arse whooping anymore and will feel like a bad arse bcs they have their weapon on their hip
You're just basically shitting all over the right to self defense and frick you for that.
If you start a fight and proceed to whip someone's arse, you are accepting the potential chance he could defend himself by retaliating and inflicting a life ending injury on you. And that is on you and only you.
A polite society is an armed society.
Posted on 7/21/18 at 6:39 pm to FulshearTiger
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You don't understand that a person carrying a concealed weapon shouldn't engage in verbal confrontations?
Why should he not? Is that the law?
Because if that's not the law, that concealed weapon is nothing more than a tool for his own self defense if he ever fears for his life against an attacker.
Posted on 7/21/18 at 6:41 pm to Sentrius
I kinda agree with both of you.
Having the ability to end life is quite a hefty weight. It's not the law but you really should carry yourself with poise, especially when your ability to end life is concealed.
Doubt anyone would start shite if they know you're armed.
Having the ability to end life is quite a hefty weight. It's not the law but you really should carry yourself with poise, especially when your ability to end life is concealed.
Doubt anyone would start shite if they know you're armed.
Posted on 7/21/18 at 6:42 pm to LSU Tigershark
Yes. That’s what they said on the news
Posted on 7/21/18 at 6:46 pm to heypaul
I say shoot every dirtbag who illegally parks in a handicapped spot.
Posted on 7/21/18 at 6:50 pm to pkloa
You don’t bring out a gun unless you plan to use it.
Posted on 7/21/18 at 6:52 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Even if she is in the wrong. How hard would it have been to park one spot over. I agree the shooter probably didn’t have to use deadly force but a law is a law. How was he supposed to know that it would end with just a push
Posted on 7/21/18 at 6:53 pm to Tiguar
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Doubt anyone would start shite if they know you're armed.
Honestly if the shovee showed his weapon, to the pusher, everybody would've gone home safely and alive that night.
But no, the pusher had to be a mental midget and start a fight and try to defend his old lady parking illegally instead talking it out like a calm and rational adult and recognizing the mistake here.
And he paid the price for that stupidity with his life.
And that's what I'm taking about when I say that if you start a fight, you accept the potential chance and take responsibility for a life ending injury on you in response in the other party's defense.
Posted on 7/21/18 at 6:56 pm to Sentrius
I personally Wouldn't have pulled the trigger in this situation. Legal or not, that'd be quite the weight to carry the rest of your life.
Obviously if you're defending yourself or family, then you gotta do what you gotta do. Hopefully that's how this dude felt.
Obviously if you're defending yourself or family, then you gotta do what you gotta do. Hopefully that's how this dude felt.
Posted on 7/21/18 at 6:58 pm to Sentrius
Problem is if you show the weapon, legally you pretty much have to fire it. Otherwise why did you pull it? Unnecessary escalation unless you were in fear of your life.
This is why I don't concealed carry. Too chicken shite to be able to make that decision.
This is why I don't concealed carry. Too chicken shite to be able to make that decision.
Posted on 7/21/18 at 7:06 pm to castorinho
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Obviously if you're defending yourself or family, then you gotta do what you gotta do. Hopefully that's how this dude felt.
Problem is that from everything we know here, there was no physical threat to his family here and thus he had no business shoving the other guy down to the ground.
And therefore was not entitled to any claim of self defense in protecting his family.
Again, when you start a fight that's not rooted in self defense, you accept and take responsibility for a life ending injury on you and the blame lies only with you.
Posted on 7/21/18 at 7:09 pm to Tiguar
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Problem is if you show the weapon, legally you pretty much have to fire it.
This is why I'm a big proponent of open carry as its in plain view of would be attackers.
Conceal carry will always have that liability.
Posted on 7/21/18 at 7:11 pm to Sentrius
LINK
Not the 1st time this guy has confronted someone over a parking spot
Unless he’s a cop he has no business confronting people especially while carrying
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Another man says he had the same argument with the suspected shooter a month ago.
"He flipped out saying he would shoot me. So when I left he called the owner of my company stating he was going to kill me," Rich Kelly told WFTS.
Kelly says the man was upset he parked in a handicapped space.
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Selous also told WFTS that he had to call police a month ago when Drejka got into a yelling match with Kelly.
Not the 1st time this guy has confronted someone over a parking spot
Unless he’s a cop he has no business confronting people especially while carrying
This post was edited on 7/21/18 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 7/21/18 at 7:13 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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So if I walked up to your wife and said straight to her face that she was a massive cum guzzling whore who makes her money on her back, you would just sit there and allow me to say that?
Or if I called your children bastard whelps of a whore and that the best part about them fell down the crack of their momma’s arse?
Or what if I called your mother a run down, wore out, walking mattress?
You’d just allow me to say something like that to them
You sad sad little man, that's the easy moronic way. Anyone can act like that. It takes bigger balls to relax and walk away. 1.There's like a 99% chance I'll never see that person again and 2. People who don't have issues would laugh that guy into oblivion. If you fly off the handle in a situation like that youre likely just as troubled as the one trying to provoke you.
Posted on 7/21/18 at 7:42 pm to Tiguar
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Problem is if you show the weapon, legally you pretty much have to fire it. Otherwise why did you pull it? Unnecessary escalation unless you were in fear of your life.
This is why I don't concealed carry. Too chicken shite to be able to make that decision.
This is 100% bullshite. Less than 0.1% of DGU's involve someone being shot.
Posted on 7/21/18 at 8:10 pm to Clames
This is the scenario I kept seeing. Car wreck.
Guy rearends it hits other guy. He is pissed, having bad day, new car etc, and walks back to other guys car to probably yell at him, etc.
Other guy blast him saying he was in fear of imminent bodily harm. DA will not touch anywhere.
Guy rearends it hits other guy. He is pissed, having bad day, new car etc, and walks back to other guys car to probably yell at him, etc.
Other guy blast him saying he was in fear of imminent bodily harm. DA will not touch anywhere.
Posted on 7/21/18 at 8:25 pm to LSUJML
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Not the 1st time this guy has confronted someone over a parking spot
Unless he’s a cop he has no business confronting people especially while carrying
I see this but then again the shover that got killed here also has quite the rap sheet.
He was a thief, a woman beater, a drug dealer, has been violent against cops, and didn't do shite to make sure the vehicles he drove were legal.
Nothing of value was lost.
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DRIVING/WHILE LICENSE/SUSP/RE
REGISTRATION REQUIRED
TRAFFIC INFRACTION
OPERATING VEHICLE W/OUT INSUR
PETIT THEFT
PETIT THEFT
DWLSR *NCTC 101811 @ 0830AM
DRIVING UNREGISTER VEHICLE *NCTC 101811 @830A
POSSESSION OF MARIJUANA
SALE OR DELIVERY OF COCAINE
POSSESSION OF COCAINE
POSSESSION OF COCAINE
DISORDERLY CONDUCT
RESISTING AN OFFICER WITH VIOLENCE
AGGRAVATED BATTERY DOMESTIC
SALE OF COUNTERFEIT DRUG
FELONY FLEEING & ELUDING
FAIL/LV/INFO/UNATTENDED VEHIC
VIOLATION OF RESTRICTION FOR
IMPROPER EQUIPMENT/MOTORCYCLE
VIOLATION OF RESTRICTION FOR
IMPROPER EQUIPMENT/MOTORCYCLE
FELONY FLEEING & ELUDING
FTA LEAVE SCENE OF ACC W/UNATTENDED PROP
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