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re: Which one of you baws hit a cyclist on River Road?
Posted on 6/20/18 at 10:14 am to KG6
Posted on 6/20/18 at 10:14 am to KG6
All you can control is you. You can't control me. I can't control the next guy. I can control what is a safe time and place to do something, such as ride a bike. Just because the road is there, doesn't necessarily mean it's a safe time and place.
I'm not anti-cyclist. I'm all about paving bike paths around the city, to where a cyclist can ride and train. Just get them off the major roadways out of harm's way, is my point.
I'm not anti-cyclist. I'm all about paving bike paths around the city, to where a cyclist can ride and train. Just get them off the major roadways out of harm's way, is my point.
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Posted on 6/20/18 at 10:17 am to KG6
You're not going to get these people to be rational.
In their mind, if they've been inconvienced by a bike once, all cyclists deserve to die.
In their mind, if they've been inconvienced by a bike once, all cyclists deserve to die.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 10:19 am to KG6
quote:No, let me tell you what happens because it's gotten me quite a few times.
Again, I'd say 100 times as many cyclist around me as there are in Baton Rouge. The Ironman North American Championship course used to go around my house and people train it constantly. I can think of one time where it was an inconvenience to have a cyclist. Normally takes 20 to 30 seconds max to pass them. It's crazy to think that 20 to 30 seconds destroys your day.
You're on an already smaller one lane road with lots of curves and a double line. So it's technically illegal for me to pass anyway. But even if I want to pass, there is a line of traffic hauling arse from the other direction. So it puts me and all the other cyclists in jeopardy (the cyclists being in line of fire like a set of bowling pins should a crash happen).
So, you're pretty much restricted to driving as fast as the cyclists can pedal. It can be for as long as 10-15 mins, depending on how much traffic is coming from the other way. You don't realize how many people use River Road these days.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 10:19 am to KG6
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Doesn't mean you don't arrest him.
They do get arrested.
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He doesn't get a free pass because I shouldn't have done that in your opinion.
Free passes aren't given.
If you don't want to get hit by a car, robbed in the ghetto, etc...you have a lot of control over all of that starting with yourself. You can complain all you want and I agree the driver is likely at fault...but you assume all of the risk when you ride on the road.
Some people refuse to fly because they're afraid the plane will crash and kill them. Odds are pretty good they won't die in a plane crash if they don't fly. Even then there is still some risk/chance it could happen, but by not flying they've done all they can to minimize that risk.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 10:19 am to KG6
I mean. If you can’t go 55mph in a 55mph zone, you don’t deserve to be there. You are exponentially more dangerous than any other person on the road in that situation.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 10:20 am to CaptainsWafer
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Nice link dickless.
No, that's the cyclist.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 10:21 am to RealityTiger
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So, you're pretty much restricted to driving as fast as the cyclists can pedal. It can be for as long as 10-15 mins, depending on how much traffic is coming from the other way. You don't realize how many people use River Road these days.
I'd love to know how often this has happened in/around Baton Rouge. I'd wager that you've never been behind cyclists for more than 30 seconds without being able to pass.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 10:22 am to lnomm34
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I'd wager that you've never been behind cyclists for more than 30 seconds without being able to pass.
River road at 10am. River road at 3pm-6 pm.
What do I win?
Posted on 6/20/18 at 10:22 am to beerJeep
quote:Another excellent point.
I mean. If you can’t go 55mph in a 55mph zone, you don’t deserve to be there. You are exponentially more dangerous than any other person on the road in that situation.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 10:23 am to RealityTiger
And I don't like cyclists on "major" roadways either. I bitch about riders in bad spots too. Riding river road close campus is dumb. But south of that, it's really not hard to avoid people on a bike. There might be some drivers out there, but it's far from "traffic".
And I get your "you control you" point. Said it before. I train indoors now. But it's pretty sad that I have too.
And I get your "you control you" point. Said it before. I train indoors now. But it's pretty sad that I have too.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 10:24 am to wadewilson
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You're not going to get these people to be rational.
You compared pee wee football & CTE to a 90 lbs guy on a piece of aluminum going up against a 6000 lb machine. Is this pee wee footballer in the big cat drill against Devin White?
Posted on 6/20/18 at 10:24 am to beerJeep
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River road at 10am. River road at 3pm-6 pm.
What do I win?
At 10:00AM? On a weekday? Weekend?
3:00PM-6:00PM where on River Road? I might could see there be a delay in the curves just south of the casino, but even then I've never had a car behind me for more than 30 seconds in that area. Admittedly, I don't ride out there on weekdays any more due to motorists with mentalities like the ones on display in this thread.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 10:27 am to lnomm34
quote:And you'd lose, unfortunately. It's why I'm so anti-cyclist on River Road. It's just not a good road to train on. I don't care how many ways you try to slice it. It puts both cyclists and drivers at risk.
I'd wager that you've never been behind cyclists for more than 30 seconds without being able to pass.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 10:27 am to lnomm34
Both. Weekday due to LSU traffic by campus. Weekend due to traffic and a proliferation of cyclist.
Pick your spot. Anywhere between the casino and downtown, to even past the casinos where the plants are.
I honestly do not believe this. I truly don’t. I drove that stretch daily for almost 3 years and was behind a fricking cyclist for an extended period at least once a week.
And I drive a wrangler, so it’s not like I’m going fast as frick. I’m constantly getting passed myself. People drive that road like the fricking Indy 500. It blows my mind that someone would willingly drive a bike on that road
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3:00PM-6:00PM where on River Road?
Pick your spot. Anywhere between the casino and downtown, to even past the casinos where the plants are.
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even then I've never had a car behind me for more than 30 seconds in that area.
I honestly do not believe this. I truly don’t. I drove that stretch daily for almost 3 years and was behind a fricking cyclist for an extended period at least once a week.
And I drive a wrangler, so it’s not like I’m going fast as frick. I’m constantly getting passed myself. People drive that road like the fricking Indy 500. It blows my mind that someone would willingly drive a bike on that road
This post was edited on 6/20/18 at 10:30 am
Posted on 6/20/18 at 10:29 am to wadewilson
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You're not going to get these people to be rational.
Explain what is rational? Drivers shouldn't hit bikers? Well heck, vehicles should never crash, ships should never sink, a tree should never fall on my house... nothing unsafe or wrong should ever happen.
The only rational thought is that everything has some risk associated with it and you are the one responsible to minimize/limit the risk you're willing to take... there are literally/physically signs posted everywhere you look to help control the risks, none are 100% preventable, only minimizable.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 10:30 am to Steadyhands
I don't think you got the point of that statement. I know you assume the risk. I'm just stating that the "public opinion" is that the cyclist should have never been there and rarely do we talk about the driver. A driver put a person in the hospital by doing something illegal and there is a 7 page thread about how bad cyclists are. If a person got murdered in the ghetto, we'd likely wonder why they were there, but we'd be talking about how bad North BR is and how crime is out of control. The court of public opinion is against cyclists even when they aren't at fault. Yes they took on risk, but they are not at fault necessarily (I really don't know the details of this particular incident, just stating in general)
This post was edited on 6/20/18 at 10:31 am
Posted on 6/20/18 at 10:32 am to beerJeep
quote:Right, because what happens is everybody is hauling arse going 55 mph+ and then you come up on a cyclist going 20 mph. You're going to have to slow down big time and wait till the oncoming traffic is clear enough to pass.
I drove that stretch daily for almost 3 years and was behind a fricking cyclist for an extended period at least once a week.
ETA: and a lot of times the cyclist is trying to prove a point so he/she is hugging that center line (which is not too smart of a move to begin with).
This post was edited on 6/20/18 at 10:34 am
Posted on 6/20/18 at 10:33 am to beerJeep
quote:quote:
even then I've never had a car behind me for more than 30 seconds in that area.
I honestly do not believe this. I truly don’t. I drove that stretch daily for almost 3 years and was behind a fricking cyclist for an extended period at least once a week.
Well, our experiences differ, then. It is what it is. Cyclists in Baton Rouge have modified their behaviors, moved riding further and further South out of Baton Rouge toward St. Gabriel and will continue to do so.
Regular Tuesday/Thursday training rides used to start at 5:30PM at Farr Park (near Brightside) and we never had issues. When we saw that traffic increased on River Road, the rides moved out to Ben Hurr. Then out again to the casino. Now, there are a lot of rides that start past the Iberville/East Baton Rouge Parish line.
It is what it is. Much to the rejoice of folks like you, the Baton Rouge cycling community is dying (no pun intended), so motorists likely won't have to deal with us out on River Road much longer.
This post was edited on 6/20/18 at 10:34 am
Posted on 6/20/18 at 10:33 am to beerJeep
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by beerJeep
I mean. If you can’t go 55mph in a 55mph zo
It's a speed limit, not a zone.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 10:34 am to ItNeverRains
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You compared pee wee football & CTE to a 90 lbs guy on a piece of aluminum going up against a 6000 lb machine. Is this pee wee footballer in the big cat drill against Devin White?
Football players are at an exponentially higher risk of developing CTE if they started in peewee.
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