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re: The Hilliard' injury sounds very familiar.
Posted on 6/1/18 at 12:23 am to Bayoufightingtiger
Posted on 6/1/18 at 12:23 am to Bayoufightingtiger
quote:For the fourth time, after Mainieri made his guess that Walker's pain might be muscle fatigue, which was immediately after the CWS OSU game in which Walker was removed in the third inning, Walker never pitched again. He was shut down. He did not pitch again after Mainieri's "muscle fatigue" statement.
Walker and Hilliard's status update were both muscle fatigue. Then Walker's injury ended up being more serious and required surgery.
Why do you keep saying Mainieri made Walker pitch again after he said that? Why do you keep saying Hilliard will be forced to pitch again? Mainieri has already said Hilliard is out.
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Posted on 6/1/18 at 12:34 am to LSURussian
PM says muscle fatigue and then the kid requires surgery. I guess pain that radiates to the elbow is called muscle fatigue. So glad he is not the team doctor. Meaningless games and short days rest causes fatigue and change in motion which directly results in arm trouble. James Andrews will tell you all about that. Maybe you should get the coaching staff to attend his seminar.
Posted on 6/1/18 at 12:40 am to Bayoufightingtiger
quote:Mainieri doesn't walk around with a MRI scanner in his pocket. So he guessed at what the problem might be when reporters asked him his opinion after the OSU game.
PM says muscle fatigue and then the kid requires surgery. I
frick off with your horse shite accusations and your personal vendettas against the LSU baseball coaches.
Posted on 6/1/18 at 1:09 am to Bayoufightingtiger
If it's "muscle fatigue" wouldn't that be cured with rest? He's the most rested pitcher on the staff, but we all pretty much know Hilliard isn't pitching again this year, no matter how much rest he gets, even if LSU gets to a super regional.
I don't blame Mainieri at all, since he's always cautious with his pitchers, I just think LSU is less than forthcoming sometimes when it comes to reporting injuries. Josh Smith didn't miss virtually the entire year because of muscle soreness. There was an enormous amount of time to rehab that. No one can be dumb enough to believe that's all it was.
I don't have any idea what Hilliard's problem is, and I hope it isn't serious, but I don't know that I believe it's only "muscle fatigue."
I don't blame Mainieri at all, since he's always cautious with his pitchers, I just think LSU is less than forthcoming sometimes when it comes to reporting injuries. Josh Smith didn't miss virtually the entire year because of muscle soreness. There was an enormous amount of time to rehab that. No one can be dumb enough to believe that's all it was.
I don't have any idea what Hilliard's problem is, and I hope it isn't serious, but I don't know that I believe it's only "muscle fatigue."
Posted on 6/1/18 at 3:58 am to Bayoufightingtiger
quote:
Bayoufightingtiger
You sound like you’re very hard headed, annoying, and are always looking to find something wrong.
Give it a break. You’re getting your arse handed to you and proven wrong.
Posted on 6/1/18 at 4:21 am to Bayoufightingtiger
quote:
So glad he is not the team doctor.
You admit that CPM isn’t the team doctor and yet you try to attribute clearing someone to pitch to the coach. You can’t have it both ways. Coach has always been cautious with pitchers and let’s the trainers, doctors, and players decide. Sometimes a guy won’t know what his injury is if he’s never had it before and he may think it’s something that will get better with a little rest. How do you know that CPM wasn’t just giving an opinion based off of limited information he was given? But hey anything to bash the coach, right?
Posted on 6/1/18 at 4:28 am to GoneFishing21
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You admit that CPM isn’t the team doctor and yet you try to attribute clearing someone to pitch to the coach. You can’t have it both ways. Coach has always been cautious with pitchers and let’s the trainers, doctors, and players decide. Sometimes a guy won’t know what his injury is if he’s never had it before and he may think it’s something that will get better with a little rest. How do you know that CPM wasn’t just giving an opinion based off of limited information he was given? But hey anything to bash the coach, right?
While I agree with your point, I do not think you did a good job of making and illustrating it.
In this case, PM has the benefit of MRI results to know that there is nothing structurally wrong. After Walker's injury, I doubt he ever speaks on a player's status until after the MRI again. You live and learn. PM as great as he is is only human.
I agree with his abundance of caution with respect to this situation.
Posted on 6/1/18 at 4:46 am to Philippines4LSU
Walker was quoted as saying he was 100% after his initial tightness in the simulated game. He said he felt fine until the warmup pitches before the 3rd inning of the OSU game. If he had the same tightness feeling then that he had during the simulated game which he had already felt 100% recovered from, then of course the coach is just going to repeat what he had already been told about what they believed the issue to be. He was asked about it after the game and he said what he knew to be the already existing problem. It didn’t hurt anyone as walker didn’t pitch again.
This post was edited on 6/1/18 at 4:48 am
Posted on 6/1/18 at 5:01 am to Bayoufightingtiger
quote:
The Hilliard' injury sounds very familiar.
No. It does not.
Posted on 6/1/18 at 5:15 am to ForeverEllisHugh
quote:
Walker's injury was in his elbow, both Hilliard and Labas have sore shoulders and should go if necessary.
It's the same thing bruh
Posted on 6/1/18 at 6:15 am to GoneFishing21
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Walker was quoted as saying he was 100% after his initial tightness in the simulated game. He said he felt fine until the warmup pitches before the 3rd inning of the OSU game
Yeah, pitchers can’t have MRIs on their shoulders and elbows after every outing—they have to rely on communication from the player. If Walker said he felt fine, that’s all they could really go on. But I think UCLs/ “Tommy Johns” are kinda different. It’s almost like at some point they’re inevitable. It’s years of wear and tear not just the one outing/inning/pitch that eventually becomes the final straw. Walker could have not pitched in that simulated game, but was still already destined for surgery. Only a matter of delaying it a bit.
Posted on 6/1/18 at 6:16 am to GoneFishing21
I do remember last year wondering why we couldn't have flown him home sooner or gotten an MRI sooner. Fuzzy on the details, but it wasn't a great sequence of events.
And, I agree that throwing Hilliard in a non-elimination game last week on shorter rest than usual was questionable.
That said, I'm sure PM is being even more cautious this time with assessing Hilliard's arm/shoulder.
Overall, PM seems to be overly cautious with pitchers, but then he has his less than stellar moments.
And, I agree that throwing Hilliard in a non-elimination game last week on shorter rest than usual was questionable.
That said, I'm sure PM is being even more cautious this time with assessing Hilliard's arm/shoulder.
Overall, PM seems to be overly cautious with pitchers, but then he has his less than stellar moments.
Posted on 6/1/18 at 6:48 am to clamdip
The real issue to me here is travel ball from a young age. Almost every kid now is playing travel ball and overworking their arms. Then when they get to college, their arms finally give out.
PM is only throwing these kids once a week and normally around 100 pitches. That should not be killing their arms.
PM is only throwing these kids once a week and normally around 100 pitches. That should not be killing their arms.
Posted on 6/1/18 at 7:01 am to Bayoufightingtiger
quote:
Bayoufightingtiger
I'd love to know the backstory behind your hate. Did Mainieri refuse to shake your hand in the restroom at Walkon's or something like with Miles and that poster that went on to trash him over and over?
Posted on 6/1/18 at 7:01 am to LSU1018
Paul needs to quit intrasquad scrimmaging so much in the fall and in the winter before the regular season starts. Freshman pitchers go from their high school senior season to fall baseball at LSU to preseason practice in late January and February, straight into the full 60+ game season. The kids arms never get rest. Meanwhile LSU is playing 5-6 innings of an intrasquad scrimmage every day they are allowed to practice in the offseason.
Posted on 6/1/18 at 7:41 am to Klingler7
quote:
Not blaming any players or coaches but LSU baseball has had a shitload of pitchers being injured during the past 5 years or so...and at the most unfortunate times. Seems like every fricking season.
nice dumb hot take
Walker and Hillard are it.
Latz, Storz and Labas had surgery either before they came to LSU or before they played in a game.
Posted on 6/1/18 at 7:47 am to Bayoufightingtiger
Perhaps having pitchers all throw over 50 yards when warming up, puts a strain on the muscles. They only pitche 60.50 feet. Also maybe the pitchers should warm up a little longer than 12 minutes then sit down, then go out and pitch. Maybe someone should study how many pitchers on other teams have the same problems. Pitching on the sidelines may not be the same as in a game but it still tires the muscles. Has anyone studied the mechanics of some of the LSU pitchers. Seems to me there weren't as many bad arms twenty years ago..Just an unasked for opinion.
Posted on 6/1/18 at 8:00 am to Bayoufightingtiger
Yeah, its not just coincidence anymore. He HAS to let these guys rest. He got Walker hurt throwing on off days. I understand the theory of the qirk....but this late in the season, a good pitcher needs more rest than he does conditioning
Posted on 6/1/18 at 8:02 am to BillF
quote:
Josh Smith didn't miss virtually the entire year because of muscle soreness. There was an enormous amount of time to rehab that. No one can be dumb enough to believe that's all it was.
correct....it was a stress reaction in his back and I am pretty sure everyone knew that the entire year.
Posted on 6/1/18 at 8:05 am to Bayoufightingtiger
Hilliard either needs to put on a few pounds and get serious about strength and conditioning or be moved to a bullpen role.
His frame and arm action aren't cut out for that many innings.
His frame and arm action aren't cut out for that many innings.
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