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Posted on 4/25/18 at 5:29 pm to beauchristopher
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How can they deny a family's wishes to seek treatment elsewhere. That's just so wrong. Has to be incredibly frustrating and just adds more stress to this family.. having to fight this.
Because that would show socialist healthcare as a failure. Same reason why the Berlin Wall was built, you need people for socialism to work.
If all the Brits decided that their healthcare was fricked and went elsewhere, it wouldn't work.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 5:33 pm to Mahootney
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Time to break the law.
"Yes. We are going to go straight home."
--- Runs with kid to helicopter.
They'd have to shoot the plane down to stop us.
Immediately followed by a UK/Italian War
Posted on 4/25/18 at 5:37 pm to ThatMakesSense
Thanks for the response.
That is a shame.
I wonder though if there should be some sort of way that they could forfeit their citizenship or whatever of that country and then be allowed to move and take their child under those type of circumstances? You should be able to move if you like and take your child. There needs to be some sort alternative.
Even if he weren't to make it elsewhere, at least letting them explore all avenues can give them some rest about truly doing all they could to save their kid.
Oh well.
That is a shame.
I wonder though if there should be some sort of way that they could forfeit their citizenship or whatever of that country and then be allowed to move and take their child under those type of circumstances? You should be able to move if you like and take your child. There needs to be some sort alternative.
Even if he weren't to make it elsewhere, at least letting them explore all avenues can give them some rest about truly doing all they could to save their kid.
Oh well.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 5:47 pm to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
So they showed mercy by putting a non-viable person on hospice instead of torturing some more with futile treatments. Is that about it?
Posted on 4/25/18 at 5:58 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
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I would fully understand the hospital's point if not for the fact that the kid hasn't needed life support for 45 hours and they literally have no idea what is wrong with him.
This! The child is now BREATHING ON HIS OWN and still doesn't have a definitive diagnosis. He's not even on life support - he's alive but ill, and the hospital has been unable to figure out why.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 6:06 pm to Mahootney
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Time to break the law.
"Yes. We are going to go straight home."
--- Runs with kid to helicopter.
That's more of the problem...there are ARMED GUARDS outside his room so that no one can take the child anywhere......
Posted on 4/25/18 at 6:07 pm to ForeverEllisHugh
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This! The child is now BREATHING ON HIS OWN and still doesn't have a definitive diagnosis.
I just can't even right now....sooooooo frickING PISSED at this. Wife won't even talk about it to anyone.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 6:12 pm to Spock's Eyebrow
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So they showed mercy by putting a non-viable person on hospice instead of torturing some more with futile treatments. Is that about it?
Your precious big daddy government saved the day.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 6:13 pm to IT_Dawg
I guarantee if this was a Muslim baby and the parents wanted to take it back to a Muslim country, the UK would let them go. Would probably pay for the transport plane too.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 6:24 pm to lsupride87
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SHould the govt be able to step in and FORCE medical care on a child?
No. For the same reasons. It's the parents' decision on how to treat/not treat their child.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 6:26 pm to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
If that were my child or grandchild that judge better have 24/7 protection. His children also. No bureaucrats has the right to tell a parent they can’t do whatever they feel is right for their dying child.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 6:35 pm to IT_Dawg
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That's more of the problem...there are ARMED GUARDS outside his room so that no one can take the child anywhere......
And this, ladies and gentleman, is the /thread to the 2nd amendment debate. Libs laugh when we say we need assault rifles because the state might turn on us.
Well here's a case where these parents would be fully justified going in with Uzi's and getting their baby to that helicopter.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 6:59 pm to IT_Dawg
If there is no bringing back that brain activity that has been lost. Why do you continue to torture the child with painful treatment? It actually seems very selfish.
He's not in a coma, or fighting infection. He has lost SIGNIFICANT brain activity...
That does not return, no matter what kind of treatment or life support he may be on.
He will never do anything beyond blink, move his eyes, etc...
And will likely suffer until death as long as he is on life support.
It sucks, but why torture the child further?
He's not in a coma, or fighting infection. He has lost SIGNIFICANT brain activity...
That does not return, no matter what kind of treatment or life support he may be on.
He will never do anything beyond blink, move his eyes, etc...
And will likely suffer until death as long as he is on life support.
It sucks, but why torture the child further?
Posted on 4/25/18 at 7:02 pm to Mike da Tigah
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Remember folks. Trust your government. They know what’s best for you and are there to protect you.
Glimpse into our furlture if we get universal healthcare.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 7:10 pm to GeauxOCDP
The issue isnt whether or not he should be treated The UK doesn't want to treat him. Fine. The issue is the parents want to take him out of the UK to a plave that will attempt to treat him and the UK has responded with putting armed guards at their hospital door. The UK is kidnapping this family. That's the issue
Posted on 4/25/18 at 7:15 pm to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Socialism brings out the worst in people. It needs to be abolished from the face of the earth.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 7:21 pm to PrivatePublic
quote:People are evil. Socialism doesn't bring it out, nor is there anything close to socialism on this planet. Govt forcefully taking from people is not socialism. It's tyranny.
Socialism brings out the worst in people
Posted on 4/25/18 at 7:35 pm to GeauxOCDP
quote:We support the prolongation of life commonly in the USA in situations like this.
He will never do anything beyond blink, move his eyes, etc...
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And will likely suffer until death as long as he is on life support.
The argument of “suffering” is a flawed one. This kid likely has no cognitive ability to even comprehend the concept of pain, and therefore cannot suffer.
If the parents’ position doesn’t have the capability to cause suffering, how does that change your stance?
As cold as it may be, look at these situations as if there is no head and the heart, lungs, and other organs are maintained in a state of life. If a muscle reacts to a stimuli via a reflex without the ability of the individual to recognize it as pain, is there even the capability for suffereing or pain as we view it?
That isn’t the issue though. The issue at hand is whether or not the government should have the ability to tell the parents that they cannot seek medical management in these cases.
This post was edited on 4/25/18 at 7:37 pm
Posted on 4/25/18 at 7:48 pm to WestCoastAg
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The issue isnt whether or not he should be treated The UK doesn't want to treat him. Fine. The issue is the parents want to take him out of the UK to a plave that will attempt to treat him and the UK has responded with putting armed guards at their hospital door. The UK is kidnapping this family. That's the issue
To be fair, I agree that putting guards at the hospital was a bad move. But the fact is, there is NO coming back from the type of damage the child has. It is ignorant to say there is any way to "save" this child...
The damage was done long before he was off of life support... He isn't even that child anymore in a medical sense.
This is literally just a situation of baby hospice.
Like I said... It SUCKS, but would you be willing to torture YOUR child?
Either the parents are ignorant and won't allow themselves to fully understand the scope of his brain loss, or they are selfish, and are willing to let their own child suffer.
Possibly even doing it for the attention, which would be pretty sad in itself.
This post was edited on 4/25/18 at 7:49 pm
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