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re: UPDATE 4/26 -Just In Case the OT Didn't Know - The UK is murdering a little baby right now
Posted on 4/26/18 at 7:33 am to Tempratt
Posted on 4/26/18 at 7:33 am to Tempratt
Looks like he is peacefully sleeping, smiling. But some pricks want to try and claim he is already dead. frick these evil scumbag sons of bitches.
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Posted on 4/26/18 at 7:34 am to Ross
Updates from this morning
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April 26, 8:15 AM EST: A Polish doctor has stated that Alfie is not “dying” and is certainly not “brain-dead.” Dr. Izabela Palgan, a pediatrician and children’s oncologist from Bydgoszcz in Poland, told Radio Wnet yesterday that in her professional opinion, doctors at Alder Hey hospital in Liverpool where Alfie is being kept are misdiagnosing the boy. “Doctors at the hospital in Liverpool asked the court to agree to the separation of the infant from life-support, on the grounds that it would be in the 'best interests' of the child. The infant is not a dying child. He is not brain-dead,” she said, as reported by Polish news portal Fronda.pl. Palgan said that Alfie’s brain scans do not show that he is in a “terminal state.” They do not, for example, show the state of his brain stem, she said. “The child reacts to the voice of his father, he periodically opens his eyes, he tightens his mouth around his soother. The parents insist that he is making contact with them,” she added. Read report: Alfie Evans is not ‘dying’ or ‘brain-dead,’ he’s been misdiagnosed: Polish doctor
April 26, 6:55 AM EST: Alfie continues to live. It’s been about 62 hours since he was removed from his ventilator on April 23 just after 9:00 PM. Alfie’s dad Tom told press this morning that he will meet with Alder Hey doctors to discuss taking his son home. He indicated that yesterday’s court battle might be the last one. A panel of three judges upheld previous rulings forbidding the family from taking their son for treatment in Italy. “We got rejected yesterday to go to Italy unfortunately. We could take it further but would that be the right thing to do, would there be more criticism?” Tom told reporters. “So what we do today is we have a meeting with the doctors at Alder Hey and we now start asking to go home,” he continued. “Alfie doesn’t need intensive care any more. Alfie is lying on the bed with one liter of oxygen going into his lungs and the rest is him. Some people say it’s a miracle, it’s not a miracle, it’s a misdiagnosis,” he said.
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Posted on 4/26/18 at 7:40 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
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Some people say it’s a miracle, it’s not a miracle, it’s a misdiagnosis
Posted on 4/26/18 at 7:51 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
I hope they take him home, and the medevac from Italy is there waiting for them
If this was my child, asses would be beaten
If this was my child, asses would be beaten
Posted on 4/26/18 at 8:29 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
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The child reacts to the voice of his father, he periodically opens his eyes, he tightens his mouth around his soother.
Jesus Christ what is wrong with the U.K.??
Posted on 4/26/18 at 9:16 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
I am praying for a miracle for this baby. I cannot imagine. A lot of people (including doctors) misunderstand mitochondrial disease. Waxing and weaning is a hallmark. Perhaps he was having an energy crisis that has since resolved with the life support and he no longer needs that level of care.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 9:19 am to drunkenpunkin
I can't look at this article in public. Those pictures make me tear up because I have twin two year olds. Those people are horrible for making them stay.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 9:22 am to drunkenpunkin
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I am praying for a miracle for this baby. I cannot imagine. A lot of people (including doctors) misunderstand mitochondrial disease. Waxing and weaning is a hallmark. Perhaps he was having an energy crisis that has since resolved with the life support and he no longer needs that level of care.
Hopefully this kid will live and it will show how fricked up it is what the government tried to do. I haven't read the whole thread, but I saw early on they would give him water but not feed him. Is this still true? Are they going to starve the kid if he continues to live just to show they weren't wrong or have those plans changed?
Posted on 4/26/18 at 9:26 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Has that doctor seen anything though? Or been in the room? I thought they weren't allowing anything like that to happen?
Posted on 4/26/18 at 9:26 am to Mingo Was His NameO
I believe the hospital/gov is standing firm that they will only administer O2 and water. The parents are now requesting permission (jesus christ, I almost can't believe I am typing this right now) to take him home for care.
Hopefully they let them take him out of the hospital, and the Italian medivac loads them all up immediately and takes them to Rome.
Hopefully they let them take him out of the hospital, and the Italian medivac loads them all up immediately and takes them to Rome.
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Posted on 4/26/18 at 9:27 am to TH03
I think she looked at the brain scans and the charts. I have not seen where she has been in the room with him yet.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 9:27 am to Mingo Was His NameO
Last I saw, they were still withholding food. I cannot wrap my head around this. I understand misdiagnosis. My son carried the wrong diagnosis for 8 years before they finally figured out it was mitochondrial disease. There was a time when I didn't think he would make it much longer. He once told me he loved me and he wanted me to remember that in case he went to heaven. He was 8. Fast forward 5 years, the correct diagnosis and treatment plan, and he is as healthy as he can be with his condition. He is intelligent and articulate and wonderful. If we hadn't fallen into the lap of the right doctor who put the pieces together, God knows what would have happened. This scenario scares the hell out of me. I pray little Alfie is given a chance to fight his way back as much as possible.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 9:28 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
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The parents are now requesting permission (jesus christ, I almost can't believe I am typing this right now) to take him home for care.
Hopefully they let them take him out of the hospital, and the Italian medivac loads them all up immediately and takes them to Rome.
I'm ignorant on the subject but what law in the UK allows the government to dictate what the parents do with their kid?
Posted on 4/26/18 at 9:29 am to drunkenpunkin
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He once told me he loved me and he wanted me to remember that in case he went to heaven. He was 8. Fast forward 5 years, the correct diagnosis and treatment plan, and he is as healthy as he can be with his condition. He is intelligent and articulate and wonderful. If we hadn't fallen into the lap of the right doctor who put the pieces together, God knows what would have happened. This scenario scares the hell out of me. I pray little Alfie is given a chance to fight his way back as much as possible.
Wow, you are a testament to the parent having the final say in their child's treatment, and a case study for why the Alfie situation is absolutely abhorrent in every way.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 9:31 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
There was a law in 1989 granting that power to the government. It was discussed early on in this thread. Legally the government is actually in the clear, ethically and morally though that is a completely different story.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 9:31 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
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Hopefully they let them take him out of the hospital, and the Italian medivac loads them all up immediately and takes them to Rome.
Part of me would love to see them try this, and make the UK try and stop them from doing it.
On the other hand, it's sad enough and I don't want to be in the habit of using dying children as ideological tools
Posted on 4/26/18 at 9:31 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
There’s a section of the 1989 children’s act that allows them to intervene here if they think it’s in the best interest for the welfare of the child. So if the continued treatment is futile in the opinion of the doctors and wouldn’t be best for the welfare of the child, the government can do this.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 9:35 am to drunkenpunkin
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Last I saw, they were still withholding food. I cannot wrap my head around this
You can't becaus it's pure evil. There are no excuses for watching a child starve to death.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 9:44 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
I would make John Q Archibald look like Mr Rogers
Posted on 4/26/18 at 9:56 am to The Tom Arnold
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would make John Q Archibald look like Mr Rogers
I thought the exact same thing
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