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Posted on 4/25/18 at 12:29 pm to TH03
quote:well we have hit every other topic in here, why not this one.
Not at all because that becomes a battle of my personal freedoms vs a smoker's personal freedoms. It also involves the freedoms of the waiters and bartenders. That's a separate discussion entirely.
I hate the government did this. just another step to being similar to how the UK is now. And you say the freedoms of the bartenders and waiters? They have the freedom to get up and walk out if they dont like the smoking. I hated that commercial they were playing about the casino workers like they were forced to work there.
But i do believe more and more bars and restaurants would have done away with it even if the law wasnt passed.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 12:31 pm to lsupride87
quote:oh.
I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS CASE ANYMORE
Carry on
Posted on 4/25/18 at 12:32 pm to CarRamrod
quote:
And you say the freedoms of the bartenders and waiters? They have the freedom to get up and walk out if they dont like the smoking
Did I say they didn't? So do the non smoking customers if you want to go there. My point was you can't take 3 separate arguments with some sort of merit and just make one side the legal winner when no one is doing anything illegal.
If you read the rest of my post I said it should've been left to the businesses to make that decision.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 12:40 pm to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
I'd like to see what their actual reasoning is.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 12:43 pm to TH03
quote:i was talking to the choir not you personally.
Did I say they didn't?
Posted on 4/25/18 at 12:44 pm to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
If what's written is an accurate depiction of the events.... it's a horrible testament to the English government. I cant imagine being the parent in that circumstance. Disturbing.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 12:46 pm to lake chuck fan
Hate to suggest that people wade through this long of a thread, but I think every issue has been touched on and a consensus reached. At this point we would be talking in circles.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:01 pm to TH03
I’m going to take you off life support a-hole.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:03 pm to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
6.52PM Brit time:
Court of Appeals has denied the parents the option of taking the child to Italy.
Has to stay in Britain to die.
SMH.
Court of Appeals has denied the parents the option of taking the child to Italy.
Has to stay in Britain to die.
SMH.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:06 pm to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
The child is two years old. What similarity do you see between this child and a child who is into his "terrible twos"?
The child's problem has not been diagnosed. Why? because it's one of those genetic conditions that has no cure.
The child's eyes can't focus, and they haven't shown that the child has the ability to hear and respond.
The hospital says most of the child's brain is gone. Gone despite their feeding the child for sixteen months and forcing oxygen into the child's lungs.
Lots of folks seem to be thinking that there's a cure in Italy. Maybe a miracle? Does an entire brain regrow?
Or is anyone going to read what the Italian hospital offered. To cut a hole for a tracheotomy for a long term hook up to a respirator, and to continue feeding through tubes.
That isn't murder, it's keeping a near corpse alive.
Is that right? Or is the Pope involved because it deflects from some of his current embarassments?
The child's problem has not been diagnosed. Why? because it's one of those genetic conditions that has no cure.
The child's eyes can't focus, and they haven't shown that the child has the ability to hear and respond.
The hospital says most of the child's brain is gone. Gone despite their feeding the child for sixteen months and forcing oxygen into the child's lungs.
Lots of folks seem to be thinking that there's a cure in Italy. Maybe a miracle? Does an entire brain regrow?
Or is anyone going to read what the Italian hospital offered. To cut a hole for a tracheotomy for a long term hook up to a respirator, and to continue feeding through tubes.
That isn't murder, it's keeping a near corpse alive.
Is that right? Or is the Pope involved because it deflects from some of his current embarassments?
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:06 pm to Mahootney
messed up
Not to be dramatic but this why I think it is very important that we constantly fight against infringements on personal liberty. Every wrong the government is able to do is based on several small laws passed in series that gradually expanded its power over the citizenry, often with perfectly good intentions.
Not to be dramatic but this why I think it is very important that we constantly fight against infringements on personal liberty. Every wrong the government is able to do is based on several small laws passed in series that gradually expanded its power over the citizenry, often with perfectly good intentions.
This post was edited on 4/25/18 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:07 pm to real turf fan
The point is, my friend, that you are allowing the government way too much power into your life if you give them the power to determine if you can pursue healthcare for your child.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:08 pm to real turf fan
quote:
The child is two years old. What similarity do you see between this child and a child who is into his "terrible twos"?
The child's problem has not been diagnosed. Why? because it's one of those genetic conditions that has no cure.
The child's eyes can't focus, and they haven't shown that the child has the ability to hear and respond.
The hospital says most of the child's brain is gone. Gone despite their feeding the child for sixteen months and forcing oxygen into the child's lungs.
Lots of folks seem to be thinking that there's a cure in Italy. Maybe a miracle? Does an entire brain regrow?
Or is anyone going to read what the Italian hospital offered. To cut a hole for a tracheotomy for a long term hook up to a respirator, and to continue feeding through tubes.
That isn't murder, it's keeping a near corpse alive.
Is that right? Or is the Pope involved because it deflects from some of his current embarassments?
Ok. So the Government won't pay for its health care anymore.
Why shouldn't the parents, if they have other means for the child's care, be able to pursue those plans?
Why should the government be the ultimate barometer of health care decisions and who lives and who dies?
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:12 pm to real turf fan
quote:bullshite. no one is saying that.
Lots of folks seem to be thinking that there's a cure in Italy. Maybe a miracle?
Every one is blasting the progressive government and the shitstains like yourself for barring the parents from taking the kid to get a 2nd opinion.
What if you broke your leg and the doc says we got to amputate. then the government says you can leave to get a 2nd opinion. would suck to have the government make you get your leg cut off huh?
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:14 pm to CarRamrod
quote:actually the guy who started the thread stated it until he was presented with facts to the contrary
no one is saying that.
quote:and just to be fair there were dozens and dozens of doctors who all came to the same conclusion.
the shitstains like yourself for barring the parents from taking the kid to get a 2nd opinion.
This is not a case of parents being denied a 2nd chance at saving the child. it's about the parents' rights to prolong care.
I think it's ultimately their choice but the govt is not trying to kill the child
This post was edited on 4/25/18 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:23 pm to Pilot Tiger
quote:Then why is the kid being held under armed guard from being transported to Italy?
I think it's ultimately their choice but the govt is not trying to kill the child
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:23 pm to Pilot Tiger
quote:
This is not a case of parents being denied a 2nd chance at saving the child. it's about the parents' rights to prolong care.
yeah but the principle of the matter is what is in dispute, as has been stated several times.
When you allow the state the ultimate authority to decide matters like these, it is a very dangerous precedent. Doctors can be wrong, and the state's interpretation of medical evidence and the scrutiny they use to analyze it is impossible to judge and scary to base your child's life on. And as long as the state is an imperfect observer into the situation, they should not be able to bar someone from seeking alternative treatment or even palliative care.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:26 pm to Mahootney
quote:I'd imagine due to the controversial and sensitive nature of this case that there's a chance a group of people would try to remove the baby and that would be very very bad and not help the situation at all
Then why is the kid being held under armed guard from being transported to Italy?
This is about the govt's role versus the parent's role.
This is NOT about the state murdering a child. You have to deal with facts here and not hysterics
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:27 pm to Pilot Tiger
There is a difference between:
The government will no longer pay for your healthcare
and
The government will no longer pay for your healthcare AND you cannot pursue any other course of treatment, this person must die.
The government will no longer pay for your healthcare
and
The government will no longer pay for your healthcare AND you cannot pursue any other course of treatment, this person must die.
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