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re: Anti Gun OBers Rejoice!
Posted on 2/18/18 at 3:49 pm to upgrayedd
Posted on 2/18/18 at 3:49 pm to upgrayedd
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As soon as everyone with an AR starts getting tactical training, that same group will predictably flip the frick out.
Better believe the media is always looking for connections to anyone engaging in actual gunfighting classes. It's a shame so many people, including many gun owners, associate defensive shooting competence with just how to load a gun and squeeze trigger.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 4:18 pm to Kino74
They love speaking in feel good platitudes. "These people need proper training" is always some mindless nonsense that they throw out there are as a solution. Guess what, Johnny Gangbanger (the group responsible for the majority of gun deaths) won't give a damn about the training requirement just how he doesn't care about possessing an illegal weapon. They want people to be trained but just not trained too well.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 5:28 pm to bbvdd
quote:You've confused psychiatrists and psychics. They are not the same thing. One is a doctor. The other claims to know the future. Only the psychic is "capable" of telling the future actions of a person. Doc's can't do it.
If anything, background checks should include mental health checks
Posted on 2/18/18 at 6:03 pm to jgthunt
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It's never been a gun problem and never will be. It's a society problem.
I bet that kid could’ve done just as much damage with a broadsword.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 6:30 pm to upgrayedd
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The "people need to be required to get training" crowd always make me laugh.
Proper training doesn't prevent someone's intent to kill antoher. However, in theory, it would make them exceptionally better at it.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 6:50 pm to upgrayedd
Why do we have a legal drinking age and a legal driving age? I guess those are stupid too...
You have to pass more testing to drive a car than own a gun. I understand a car is dangerous but why are some things okay to make laws and rules but others get people so upset?
I'm sure most people on this board would pass all testing and rules so what's the big deal? You can still have the right own a gun if you're a certain age and pass a test just like your car.
Now I know you can argue there are flaws in the testing and age approach but do you really think the way everything is handled now is correct?
You have to pass more testing to drive a car than own a gun. I understand a car is dangerous but why are some things okay to make laws and rules but others get people so upset?
I'm sure most people on this board would pass all testing and rules so what's the big deal? You can still have the right own a gun if you're a certain age and pass a test just like your car.
Now I know you can argue there are flaws in the testing and age approach but do you really think the way everything is handled now is correct?
This post was edited on 2/18/18 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 2/18/18 at 7:16 pm to Milescb28
A car is not a constitutional right. And once they start infringing on that right they just take another piece every time. They don't ever put a piece back, but just continue to chip away at the foundation.
Most people would be okay with testing, etc.. If that was it and there was a clear cut future, but there isn't. That is why people are so adamant against further restrictions. Feinsteins quote about being 21 is a clear example of it.
Most people would be okay with testing, etc.. If that was it and there was a clear cut future, but there isn't. That is why people are so adamant against further restrictions. Feinsteins quote about being 21 is a clear example of it.
This post was edited on 2/18/18 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 2/18/18 at 7:16 pm to Milescb28
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You can still have the right own a gun if you're a certain age and pass a test just like your car.
This is where you show you don't understand the difference between a given right and an earned privilege. Guns are a right given by 2A, driving is a privilege from the state to use their roads. You don't need a license to drive on your property.
This post was edited on 2/18/18 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 2/18/18 at 7:31 pm to PillageUrVillage
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I bet that kid could’ve done just as much damage with a broadsword.
I do hope you're not serious. A wooden chair can both defend and disable a person wielding a sword. Silly comparison.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 7:50 pm to onelochevy
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They're not a bunch of emo 18 yr olds that just got made fun of on Facebook and are now butt hurt. I'
If you think this was Cruz, you’re as stupid as Feinstein
Posted on 2/18/18 at 7:56 pm to Milescb28
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I'm sure most people on this board would pass all testing and rules so what's the big deal? You can still have the right own a gun if you're a certain age and pass a test just like your car.
Does getting a driver's license involve a psych evaluation?
Posted on 2/18/18 at 7:57 pm to Propagandalf
I'm just trying to say I'm ready to listen to and try to develop options to try and make things safer. We have done it before with other "rights" and some things we got correct and some things we got wrong but I think its worth trying to help. These tragedies seem to be shifting opinions but not everyone.
This post was edited on 2/18/18 at 7:59 pm
Posted on 2/18/18 at 8:00 pm to PillageUrVillage
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bet that kid could’ve done just as much damage with a broadsword.
May not have killed 17 kids but he could most certainly kill one or two.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 8:09 pm to Propagandalf
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Proper training doesn't prevent someone's intent to kill antoher. However, in theory, it would make them exceptionally better at it.
That's why I love to force them to play the whole scenario out. They quickly realize how fast it eliminates your rights and how their unintended consequences come to fruition.
This post was edited on 2/18/18 at 8:10 pm
Posted on 2/18/18 at 8:11 pm to tigerinthebueche
Yeah. I just meant that even without a gun, the kid was hell bent on killing people. He would’ve found another way. Sure, that was a bit of an exaggeration admittedly.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 8:51 pm to jgthunt
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It's a society problem.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 9:23 pm to PillageUrVillage
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the kid was hell bent on killing people. He would’ve found another way
This plus remind me just how many of these mass shooters were using AR15s legally purchased by 18-20 year olds.
Posted on 2/18/18 at 9:30 pm to Pioneer BS 175
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Meaning if your on antipsychotics, then you should be required to have regular checkups with a Dr. if you skip multiple appointments you should be able to buy a gun
The only tricky part of adding mental health to background checks is that background checks are an extremely inefficient method of preventing criminals from getting guns.
I'll link an article from Politifact (a super left-leaning site) that points this out:
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I don't think adding another complicated layer of regulation to the NICS would make the system more efficient. In my opinion it would bog down the system and squeeze the taxpayers even more.
I do agree that there is a mental health epidemic in the country right now but I don't see this step doing much.
In my opinion, bringing the nuclear family back stronger than ever would fix a lot of societal issues but that would take a lot of time and effort for the US populace.
This post was edited on 2/18/18 at 9:33 pm
Posted on 2/18/18 at 9:34 pm to bapple
One pretty common trait of all the past mass shootings was the fact that the shooter had been on antipsychotics.
The background check needs an overhaul. The Texas church shooting and the shooting last week prove that.
The background check needs an overhaul. The Texas church shooting and the shooting last week prove that.
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