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re: To what extent is society morally obligated to save heroin addicts?
Posted on 1/22/18 at 5:44 pm to TigersSEC2010
Posted on 1/22/18 at 5:44 pm to TigersSEC2010
DGAF about junkies
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Posted on 1/22/18 at 5:50 pm to TigersSEC2010
Life is precious. Even in a drug addict
This post was edited on 1/22/18 at 5:50 pm
Posted on 1/22/18 at 5:52 pm to fr33manator
They are trying to die with a little grace and dignity while doing what they love. I am unsure I am qualified to question their choice.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 5:53 pm to KiwiHead
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If you've ever dealt with one it's really sad
Junkies are junkies, drug of choice doesn't matter.
Crack for almost 2 years qualifies me I think.
I got help when I finally wanted it. Forcing me to do it wasn't gonna work. The addict knows how to play the game.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 5:53 pm to TigersSEC2010
We need our resident heroin addicts to advise on this.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 5:54 pm to Sao
Started doing coke in college on the weekends. Used it socially during law school. 5 years later, I was using about a gram per day and drinking 6-8 beers to take the edge off. Almost lost everything and everyone I loved. I did an outpatient rehab for about 6 months in late 2016 and have been sober for 17 months. Thank the Lord.
I met a lot of heroin addicts during my outpatient rehab. Some were decent people, others weren't. What keeps most addicts away from treatment is the cost. 90 days at an inpatient rehab facility can cost a minimum of 5 figures. Most people, especially addicts, can't pay that.
I don't claim to know what the solution is to this opiod epidemic, but what we're doing now isn't working. Addiction doesn't give a damn about your race, gender, class or religion. It's the least discriminatory thing in this country.
I met a lot of heroin addicts during my outpatient rehab. Some were decent people, others weren't. What keeps most addicts away from treatment is the cost. 90 days at an inpatient rehab facility can cost a minimum of 5 figures. Most people, especially addicts, can't pay that.
I don't claim to know what the solution is to this opiod epidemic, but what we're doing now isn't working. Addiction doesn't give a damn about your race, gender, class or religion. It's the least discriminatory thing in this country.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 5:54 pm to redstick13
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We need our resident heroin addicts to advise on this.
I think he’s back in jail for being a heroin addict
Posted on 1/22/18 at 5:55 pm to TigersSEC2010
We had a guy od on heroin on back to back days. Because we aren't to let stupid people die
Posted on 1/22/18 at 5:56 pm to SCLibertarian
You're lucky you weren't hooked on marijuana. I hear the rehab is way worse
Posted on 1/22/18 at 6:16 pm to TigersSEC2010
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understand we can't just let them die
Sure we can
Posted on 1/22/18 at 6:21 pm to TigersSEC2010
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understand we can't just let them die
Sure we could
And should
Posted on 1/22/18 at 6:27 pm to TigersSEC2010
My Libertarian side wants society to legalize all drugs and let grown ups decide whether to use them or not. As grown ups they are to accept the consequences, of course.
It should be clear to most Americans that welfare fosters a dependence on the State. If people are given free rides, most will take them for as long as they can.
Rescuing people from harm, even when it's self inflicted, creates a similar reliance upon the State.
"Someone will take care of me," overrides any sense of self-preservation. In effect, these people are merely practicing what they learned as children and have transferred their dependence upon their parents to the State.
They rarely will become contributing members of society. Even "tough love" won't work with a lot of them. These are the ones who will ultimately succumb to their self-destructive mindsets.
How many times should the State revive them from death's door? Because the idea of letting them die is so repulsive to most people, I reluctantly think that saving them should continue. However, there's no reason they can't be charged for the effort.
Some states already charge people for rescue services when they intentionally put themselves in dangerous situations. Drug overdoses should be treated the same. They're commiting an illegal act and are using public resources to avoid dying. We should make them pay.
It should be clear to most Americans that welfare fosters a dependence on the State. If people are given free rides, most will take them for as long as they can.
Rescuing people from harm, even when it's self inflicted, creates a similar reliance upon the State.
"Someone will take care of me," overrides any sense of self-preservation. In effect, these people are merely practicing what they learned as children and have transferred their dependence upon their parents to the State.
They rarely will become contributing members of society. Even "tough love" won't work with a lot of them. These are the ones who will ultimately succumb to their self-destructive mindsets.
How many times should the State revive them from death's door? Because the idea of letting them die is so repulsive to most people, I reluctantly think that saving them should continue. However, there's no reason they can't be charged for the effort.
Some states already charge people for rescue services when they intentionally put themselves in dangerous situations. Drug overdoses should be treated the same. They're commiting an illegal act and are using public resources to avoid dying. We should make them pay.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 6:27 pm to ElJefe686
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Focusing on treatment and rehabilitation would be a wonderful thing. Those people need help, not a cell mate.
Look up how Portugal drastically reduced hard drug use. It is intriguing.
Population of Portugal : 10.3 million people
Also this: LINK
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While possession is legal, trafficking and possession of more than "10 days worth of personal use" are still punishable by jail time and fines.
So its not completely legal.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 6:32 pm to TigersSEC2010
I don't think society is obligated to help.
However, if your job is to deliver emergency medical help, it would probably fall under your job description.
However, if your job is to deliver emergency medical help, it would probably fall under your job description.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 6:34 pm to TigersSEC2010
To the extent that we have waged wars to protect the heroin fields and allowed pharmaceutical companies to sell 80% of the worlds opiate Rx to a country that only has ~ 300million people.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 6:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
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that's enabling self-destruction
Bringing someone back to life being framed as enabling self destruction is a little rough, but I get the point.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 6:38 pm to TigersSEC2010
Honestly, we don't have proper treatment. Instead of jail we should have rehab clinics staffed by trustees acting as a halfway house. Using a predosed medical withdrawal plan.
Heroin junkies seem to relapse at high numbers.
Reminds me of Future Man when the one guy is withdrawing from cocaine. "Yeah it only takes half a day to come down off a coke binge, it's not heroin"
We have a system that treats everything the same and don't realize that they can't just stop without really bad side effects.
If we had a way of getting them past it, I think it would be better than sending them to prison. Where they simply get sent gift cards or commissary money and pay the dirty guards for dope.
(Hard for a guy to stay clean guarding convicts for $11/hr)
Heroin junkies seem to relapse at high numbers.
Reminds me of Future Man when the one guy is withdrawing from cocaine. "Yeah it only takes half a day to come down off a coke binge, it's not heroin"
We have a system that treats everything the same and don't realize that they can't just stop without really bad side effects.
If we had a way of getting them past it, I think it would be better than sending them to prison. Where they simply get sent gift cards or commissary money and pay the dirty guards for dope.
(Hard for a guy to stay clean guarding convicts for $11/hr)
Posted on 1/22/18 at 6:39 pm to YoungManOldMan
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Life is precious. Even in a drug addict
Sometimes. Society owes nothing to anyone though.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 6:47 pm to deeprig9
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Human compassion
Yep, so compassionate spending thousands on medical assistance so they can not pay the bill and give more money to the heroin dealers instead.
They thank you for your service.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 7:00 pm to TigersSEC2010
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understand we can't just let them die
Lol yes we can, and should
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