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re: Don't know if Roy Moore dated teenagers when he was in his 30's, but.....
Posted on 11/17/17 at 6:51 am to DarthRebel
Posted on 11/17/17 at 6:51 am to DarthRebel
quote:We can all thank God that cavemen were not Liberal and were aborting any child that was "inconvenient" to their hunting and gathering.
If we applied our morality laws of today to the past, there might not be any humans on this planet currently.
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 6:53 am to TrueTiger
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^^this just might be the real concern with the guy, he does come across as having that TV preacher aura.
It is 100% my real concern with the guy. He’s a snake oil salesman.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 6:56 am
Posted on 11/17/17 at 6:59 am to FairhopeTider
quote:LOL
One more time...I was referring to the discussion in this thread, not if Roy Moore actually had relations with a 16 year old
Crawfishin
quote:Exactly
I don’t know if Moore sexually assaulted a girl or not. For the sake of argument, let’s say he had a thing for 16+ year old girls when he was in his 30’s. In isolation, we can say that isn’t a problem by trotting out antiquated cultural norms and whatnot
quote:Congratulations tribesmen
The problem is that is just another piece of the puzzle to a candidate who was already pretty despicable.
quote:Then attack him on that
. This is a demagogue who uses religion to line his pockets and further his career
The other is bull shite tribesmen crap and you said you didn't like the tribe game
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But by all means, keep white knighting for the guy because of the R next to his name
You can say that's all you like to deflect from what you're doing.
But you've been everything you were complaining about.
My whiteknighting if you want to call it that is against using false allegations and innuendo to take out someone just because you don't like them
Posted on 11/17/17 at 7:04 am to Wildcat In Germany
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If you're not ok with grown men sleeping with little girls, don't make excuses for it. Period.
There is a difference between dating and sleeping with. I think Moore might have dated 16-17 year olds, with the parents' permission. It was not unusual for that time and place.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 7:08 am to FairhopeTider
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In isolation, we can say that isn’t a problem by trotting out antiquated cultural norms and whatnot. The problem is that is just another piece of the puzzle to a candidate who was already pretty despicable. This isn’t just a conservative with a (R) next to his name. This is a demagogue who uses religion to line his pockets and further his career. From not paying taxes to lying about Sharia Law in the US, the guy is scum. He’s a Pharisee that loves to play the perpetual victim.
Well, this thread was about that topic in isolation. The rest of what you laid out is your view, which I don’t necessarily disagree with, but is for the voters to decide.
And that is the entire point of all of this discussion regarding Roy Moore. Do we not trust the democratic process anymore? Should the process be thwarted sometimes? When?
Posted on 11/17/17 at 7:12 am to ShortyRob
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LOL
Crawfishin
Please point out in this thread where I accused Roy Moore of sleeping or sexually assaulting teen girls.
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Then attack him on that
I and others have been doing just that.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 7:21 am to Ramblin Wreck
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Dating girls that young seems pretty creepy to me. As a father of a daughter it actually seems pretty disturbing, but attitudes in the 1960's and 1970's didn't put it in the same creepy category as today. Not making an excesses for Moore if he did date teens back in the 1970's, just pointing out other well known people that did around that same era.
I think we all agree that a grown man messing with a teenage girl is pretty sick today and even back then when viewed through the lens of present day. What I would find interesting is to see someone research and explore how these relationship were viewed in these times. I know it wasn't that uncommon for girls to get married at 16 as soon as 50 years ago. So why was this acceptable then and not now. What caused the change? What were the views on this 100 - 200 years ago.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 7:40 am to Ramblin Wreck
I think that’s definitely the case with Moore - people are applying contemporary morality/norms to judge behavior that was acceptable 30 years ago.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 7:42 am to AUstar
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So, yeah, lots of us probably have pedophile ancestors (or at least they would be considered pedos today).
It’s not pedophilia then or now...it would be statutory rape.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 7:53 am to AUbused
quote:oh look. Another dishonest piece of shite in the room. Aren't you proud associate with this guy Fairhope?
.... by AUbused
You sure u aint muslim Shorty? You and mohammed got a lot in common these days
Posted on 11/17/17 at 8:15 am to Wildcat In Germany
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Why on Earth would any grown man try to justify an adult male trying to date a female child? For fricks sake, I'm glad that my only child is a male.
He's pointing out that at the time, it was an accepted social practice. Just like when we look back at our era and try to tell our great grandchildren how it was ok in our generation for men who dressed as women to enter women's bathrooms or for trannies to be in the military!
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 8:17 am
Posted on 11/17/17 at 8:43 am to Revelator
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Just like when we look back at our era and try to tell our great grandchildren how it was ok in our generation for men who dressed as women to enter women's bathrooms or for trannies to be in the military!
This is so true. 20-30 age gap is evil for dating, 30 year old man wanting to use girls restroom - go for it, it is your right
Posted on 11/17/17 at 8:59 am to Roger Klarvin
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Most here have grandparents or great-grandparents that had such relationships.
My great-grandparents got married in 1921. She was 14, he was 23. She had 4 kids before she was 21. They were married for 70 years before he died.
This. I'm not saying Moore was right, wrong, etc. or that these women are/aren't lying. But you're right, it wasn't uncommon for what we would think of today as significantly older men to date/marry significantly younger women. Particularly in the south. You have to take this whole story within the context of when it occurred in the 70's in Alabama. At that time, many (perhaps most) women in the south weren't being raised to go to college and become professionals. Many were simply hoping to "marry well" with a man who could provide for his entire family. The wife knew she was destine to be a homemaker or perhaps have a clerical job. Marrying a well to do older man was seen by many as a great way to live a secure life. Hell, this is from the WAPO story:
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Debbie Wesson Gibson says that she was 17 in the spring of 1981 when Moore spoke to her Etowah High School civics class about serving as the assistant district attorney. She says that when he asked her out, she asked her mother what she would say if she wanted to date a 34-year-old man. Gibson says her mother asked her who the man was, and when Gibson said “Roy Moore,” her mother said, “I’d say you were the luckiest girl in the world.”
In today's society I doubt you get the same response from many mothers. However, in small town Alabama 40 years ago it wasn't a HUGE deal. My wife's grandfather married his wife when he was 31 and she was 18. This occurred in the 50's. No one thought anything of it accept joy that the woman was marrying a guy with a good job who could provide for her and expected children later down the line.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:38 am to Ramblin Wreck
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:37 am to ChineseBandit58
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Have you proclaimed your displeasure with Clinton and Menendez? They have actually been accused of having sex with children as young as 12.
As far as I know, Moore has been accused of wanting to date girls as young as 14.
Nobody has accused Moore of rape - Bill Clinton actually raped at least one woman.
Where is your line of acceptance and does it waver back and forth depending on the who the accused is???
And if not, how have you managed to escape the sordid history of Bill Clinton without speaking out?????
Whataboutism again. It's wrong no matter who does it, idiot. What kind of sense does it make that when people talk about Roy Moore you then bring up a Democrat person? Can't you just admit that Roy Moore is a piece of s*** and that anyone accused of those things by 30-plus people is a piece of s***
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:39 am to Ebbandflow
Are you advocating for the age of consent to be raised? What age do you think it should be? What happened to "if two people of legal age want to be with eachother, what business is it of mine"?
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 10:41 am
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:40 am to Halftrack
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So, does that make it ok?
I love this leftist tactic. Look at past, socially accepted, social norms through the lens of modern societal norms and demonize the people who engaged in it.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:40 am to ChineseBandit58
What you have posted may be true. The problem with your statement is he didn’t just look and try and date younger women, but he was aggressive with younger women.
It doesn’t matter the age of the woman/girl for a man to be creepy. It matters how the man treats or interacts with a woman. If the woman was in her 30’s and he did the same thing it would still be wrong. You don’t force yourself on anyone.
This is one of the things Moore supporters and defenders have missed and fail to understand. Even if it was 35 to 40 years ago doesn’t mean it was wrong.
The rape case of the 4 year old boy shows the way he voted and his response shows he does not understand what is right and normal.
It doesn’t matter the age of the woman/girl for a man to be creepy. It matters how the man treats or interacts with a woman. If the woman was in her 30’s and he did the same thing it would still be wrong. You don’t force yourself on anyone.
This is one of the things Moore supporters and defenders have missed and fail to understand. Even if it was 35 to 40 years ago doesn’t mean it was wrong.
The rape case of the 4 year old boy shows the way he voted and his response shows he does not understand what is right and normal.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:42 am to MizzouBS
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but he was aggressive with younger women
Allegedly.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:54 am to IllegalPete
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Why on Earth would a grown man claim that doing something that has been done for thousands of years and is perfectly legal in the majority of countries around the world be unusual or creepy or deserving shame?
The second-highest age of consent is 20 in South Korea, while the majority of other countries have an Age of Consent between 16 and 18. The lowest Age of Consent in the world is 11, in Nigeria. The age of consent is 12 in the Philippines and Angola, and 13 in Burkina Faso, Comoros, Niger, and Japan.
So I guess my question is do you want to be more like Nigeria or the Philippines?
People also used to just declare themselves King because they were bigger and stronger and then anyone that descended from their bloodline would also be declared king or queen or Prince or princess.
The point is that some of us evolve. Obviously you do not.
PS - of course f****** a man in the arse is going to sound gross to you. Youre heterosexual. It should sound gross to you. Sounds gross to me too but other people do it and they obviously feel pretty good about it so who really gives a s*** what you think
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