re: Don't know if Roy Moore dated teenagers when he was in his 30's, but.....

One of my great great grandmothers was married at 15. I dont know how old her husband was. We have a picture of her. She is holding a baby and has a sad face.

Many here should really go back and study more on humanity and sexual relations.

How we live now is such a small blip in the scheme of things.

If we applied our morality laws of today to the past, there might not be any humans on this planet currently.

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So, yeah, lots of us probably have pedophile ancestors (or at least they would be considered pedos today).

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I have done a lot of genealogical research in the past 40 years, and if you examine census records after 1850 you will find that a large percentage of women were married before age 18. I have a great great grandmother who was 14 when she had her fist child.

I find it disgusting that so many people want to apply cultural norms that have been driven by stupid SJWs and the PC crowd in the past 20 years to centuries and millennia of civilization evolution. Just so they can "feel superior" while they live in their mom's basement playing video games and looking for stuff to be offended about.

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If you're not ok with grown men sleeping with little girls, don't make excuses for it. Period.

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Have you proclaimed your displeasure with Clinton and Menendez? They have actually been accused of having sex with children as young as 12.

As far as I know, Moore has been accused of wanting to date girls as young as 14.

Nobody has accused Moore of rape - Bill Clinton actually raped at least one woman.

Where is your line of acceptance and does it waver back and forth depending on the who the accused is???

And if not, how have you managed to escape the sordid history of Bill Clinton without speaking out?????

The cultural trend of prolonging childhood is a very, very recent phenomenon.

You see things like the age of consent creeping up, the drinking age creeping up, and keeping your 'children' on your insurance until age 26.

The vast majority, like 99.9999%, of the human historical experience is not the way we see it tried currently. That is why this is a cultural issue not a moral issue.

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So, yeah, lots of us probably have pedophile

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Sheesh

Can we just stop it with the fricking dishonest use of language in here

In Cole miners daughter, Tommy Lee Jones busted it out when she was like 12 or something. West Virginia.

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Can we just stop it with the fricking dishonest use of language in here

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it's intentional to create emotional shock value

pre pubescent = pedophile

That's under 13 and that is not we've been talking about.

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I’m not trying to set up a strawman. Genuinely asking.

Do you think the progress that’s been made on not marrying and dating children under the age of, say, 16, is a good thing?

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Fair enough.

Yes - I think it is a good thing.

But, I think the cultural changes that have happened in teh past 50 years have been a bad thing. Children are being sexualized to an extent never before seen in human history. They are exposed to sex-driven themes from the time they begin to form their own identities.

Children see nothing in the entertainment world but the celebration of sex and violence unless they are extremely well chaperoned.

And recently, girls are being taught they can dress and act as slutty as they want, but that boys are required to go by some sort of evolving 'may I' rules at every step along the way of an evolving relationship. This is a disastrously insane trend that can only end in disaster.

And men have always been attracted to youth and beauty. There was a time when 14 year old girls were not really viewed as a sex object by anyone but the truly deranged. Now, there are many 14 year olds who have all the appearances of 18-20 year old women from 60 years ago. I know this because I came of age in the 50s and taught high school in the 2000s. I saw very few college girls in the 50s who could not fit in with a group of Freshmen girls in the 2000s.

The evolutionary reproductive instincts of men do not evolve with the rapidity of modern cultural revolution.

As late as the 50's a grown man would not be tempted to look at a flat chested skinny 14 yr old girl = unless they were truly perverted. But in the current age, that same man looking at a typical 14 yr old would see the same image as he would have seen in a 20 yr old in the 50s. Birth certificates were never part of the evolutionary tree.

Now, am I defending pedophilia? = hell no - that is a disgusting crime and needs to be dealt with harshly.

Am I cautioning against interpreting natural urges as pedophilia - of course. Any normal man who says he has never turned his head to look at some short-skirted, tight-sweatered, long-eyelashed, heavily made-up girl (who just might be 14) is a liar. That is not pedophelia - that is 3 million years of evolution responding.

Do civilized men have to obey social norms? = of course they do. And should be taught from early age what the accepted norms are.

NOW - as regarding Moore - I have no doubts that he was at least bordering on the line of criminality. He chose to hang out around girls of an age too young for men in their 30s. This is not normal and I would not want him within a mile of my daughter.

But here is the important fact (at least I am not aware of any converse facts) that at some time in his 30s he gave up that peculiar behavior. And for 40 years, has led a 'normal' life. I am absolutely confident that there are lots of men in their 70s who have committed some sort of 'crime' in their young adulthood, and if lucky enough to not have been caught and punished at the time, turned their lives around and are now pillars of their community, and holders of high office.

Sorry if this is a late response - I have been interrupted a half dozen times - my wife thinks I spend too much time on here anyway - especially when she is trying to makes lists for Thanksgiving menus etc.)

If you are interested in continuing a dialog - I will respond as I can find the time.

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She is holding a baby and has a sad face.

Smiling for photos universally is a relatively modern thing

It was pretty much the norm a long time ago to take photos sans smiles

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True dat - I have lots of photos of my parents and grandparents going back to the 1870s - there is not a smile in any of them.

It may have been an inheritance from the time of extremely long exposures for any kind of photograph and keeping a smile would have been very uncomfortable.