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How to get FICO to 800?

Posted on 11/14/17 at 8:47 pm
Posted by 50_Tiger
Dallas TX
Member since Jan 2016
40155 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 8:47 pm
I am currently sitting at 770 and I am almost done trying to figure out the frigging secret formula to get to 800.

I think I need a mortgage.
Posted by iAmBatman
The Batcave
Member since Mar 2011
12382 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 8:51 pm to
Why? 770 or 800, you’re going to get the same interest rates and perks of a great score.

Unless you like rubbing one out to creditkarma every morning
Posted by 50_Tiger
Dallas TX
Member since Jan 2016
40155 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 8:59 pm to
Just a goal of mine that I can't solve currently
Posted by tlsu15
Capital of Texas
Member since Aug 2011
10048 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:01 pm to
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Unless you like rubbing one out to creditkarma every morning



I don't know him IRL, but I'm betting he's going for something along these lines.
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
75263 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:28 pm to
Actually, 720 or higher is good
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:30 pm to
quote:

Why? 770 or 800, you’re going to get the same interest rates and perks of a great score.


My score hovers around 840 and I've found this to not really be the case.

True, when I was at 750 I never had to worry about being denied for a new credit line. But at 840 I can pick up the phone and borrow much larger sums. Also, lenders aren't charging me for credit risk, they're charging vendors for doing business with me and ship me a rebate for the privilege.

Automatic upgrades to first class if there's a seat available? Yup. I get to skip the security lines too, for free. Put another way - at 750 nobody denied me a loan. At 840 major banks are stumbling over themselves trying to lend me money and are willing to give me some perks to do so.

To answer the OP though, time and multiple credit lines (revolving vs. installment) help.
Posted by 50_Tiger
Dallas TX
Member since Jan 2016
40155 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:39 pm to
Thanks foshizzle.

Right now the only knock I have is time. Average length is around 6 years.

I’m only 31 so I guess I just need to be patient.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20512 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:55 pm to
Op, my guess is you don't loan enough money or have enough credit access. I had a credit score about 760 for 5-6 years, then I bought some rental properties and it shot up to 810.

I only have about 25,000 in credit limit through credit cards available. I could get more very easily, I have 2 cards with 12-13k each but I've never needed them over $8-9k and pay them of monthly or twice monthly.
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:57 pm to
quote:

Thanks foshizzle.

Right now the only knock I have is time. Average length is around 6 years.

I’m only 31 so I guess I just need to be patient.



you do realize his entire post is nonsense right?

He is descibing a cash back card and Amex that are avalable sub 650.

At 31 I would assume age of accounts is your stumbling block along with total accounts, be patient.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 10:14 pm to
Do it. It's true that a mid-700's score means you're basically guaranteed to get your loan apps approved. But it's also true (in my experience anyway) that when you're 820 or above that major lenders will pay you for the privilege of lending you money for a month or so and get their money from the vendors you use your credit with.

True story - a year or so ago I was involved in a car accident with a rental. The other driver was found at fault and had no insurance. I'd declined Budget's rental coverage so they decided to pursue me for a $12,000 bill for damage plus loss of use.

But because I paid on a credit card with full insurance, I simply referred everything to them and it was all taken care of. I didn't pay a dime.

Life at 750 means you don't have to worry about getting a loan you need. Life at 840 meant Citibank paid for legal services to save me a five figure bill, and gives me a monthly rebate on everything I spend on top of that so they can charge swipe fees on vendors I do business with. And Chase makes sure I waltz through security lines at airports without delay and gives me the occasional free first-class upgrade.

Yes, there's a difference.
Posted by matthew25
Member since Jun 2012
9425 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 10:54 pm to
Explain how Chase gets you through security lines at airports.
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37706 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 11:16 pm to
quote:

Life at 750 means you don't have to worry about getting a loan you need. Life at 840 meant Citibank paid for legal services to save me a five figure bill, and gives me a monthly rebate on everything I spend on top of that so they can charge swipe fees on vendors I do business with. And Chase makes sure I waltz through security lines at airports without delay and gives me the occasional free first-class upgrade.



Don't want to rain on your parade, but my CCs got me all those perks back when I was sitting around 725 credit score 1-2 years removed from college
This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 11:18 pm
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
27152 posts
Posted on 11/15/17 at 12:25 am to
Yup. Think I was around 720 when I added a CSP to my Freedom.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24185 posts
Posted on 11/15/17 at 1:25 am to
I’m at 810 and I think your examples sound way overblown.
Posted by 50_Tiger
Dallas TX
Member since Jan 2016
40155 posts
Posted on 11/15/17 at 6:15 am to
Current total lines is 55k , three cars paid for, and I try to keep my utilization right under 3%.

I guess it really just takes time and I think I do need some sort of rental.
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 11/15/17 at 6:32 am to
quote:

I think I do need some sort of rental.



Not sure what happened with him but owning rental property has zero effect on credit score, it likely just bumped his total # of accounts up enough to help.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20512 posts
Posted on 11/15/17 at 7:05 am to
quote:

Not sure what happened with him but owning rental property has zero effect on credit score, it likely just bumped his total # of accounts up enough to help.


I didn't mean owning rentals, sorry poor wording.

What I meant was increasing the amount of money loaned and the number of accounts. When my score was 760 I had 2 credit cards and a mortgage under $100k. Then I bought two rental properties with an additional mortgage of $100k and it shot up to over 800. Come to think of it my wife also bought a newer car and we had a car loan.

So I had 3 accounts with total credit available of about $100k and it was 760.

Went to 6 accounts with total credit available of $225-250 and it was 810.
Posted by AmeriKop45
Coach, Wing Tip Seat
Member since Jan 2016
2102 posts
Posted on 11/15/17 at 7:27 am to
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foshizzle


First class upgrades? CDW coverage through CC?

Cmon man. None of those have anything to do with your credit score.

Like others have mentioned, for all practical purposes, 740+ is all the same. There's a floor to what interest rates you can get, below which, lenders are better off keeping their money instead of lending it at all. At 740 and up, you are right around there. Law of diminishing returns.

So I'm sorry to say but foshizzle has not painted an accurate picture.

OP - you're fine. With few accounts, it will just take you a little longer to get to 800+. Although I am not sure why one would fret over crossing 800, I know a lot of people do having read the FICO forums.

For reference - My AAoA is under 2 years, oldest credit line is about 7 years old now and at any given point I have over 25 CCs open with a LOT LOT more inquires (think in the 60s). Credit Score hovers around 810 recently. If more than 1 card closes with a big balance, score drops under 800, then goes back up once its paid the next month. I get denied for CCs often now (due to too many inquiries) but nothing small like that hurts my score anymore

The reason I mention this is because you can see how some abstract things make your credit score swing. Lenders know this and also know that if you cannot handle debts, your score is not going to be near 740.

TL:DR; No, credit scores will not get you first class upgrades or cover your liabilities. It is only going to give you access to better interest rates, the best of which can be had at 740 (some say 760) and up. For most people it stops at buying a house and car(s). For others it may mean a better business LOC rates, capital for new ventures and leverage for investing/speculation.
This post was edited on 11/15/17 at 8:08 am
Posted by 50_Tiger
Dallas TX
Member since Jan 2016
40155 posts
Posted on 11/15/17 at 7:45 am to
Okay, I usually have let the CC companies push my limits up for me but I can request larger increases on my accounts.
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
36440 posts
Posted on 11/15/17 at 9:55 am to
How big of a deal is utilization really? My credit score is good but there's always room for improvement. I use the hell out of my Southwest card because I'm trying to rack up points for flights. So i guess my utilization is high, but I pay the balance off in full without fail every billing cycle. I don't know why this would affect me negatively. Should I be using it less and maybe split up my spending among other my other cards to lower my utilization?
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