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re: Business Report: Land Based Casino a likely possibility in Baton Rouge
Posted on 11/1/17 at 4:21 pm to someLSUdoosh
Posted on 11/1/17 at 4:21 pm to someLSUdoosh
quote:Yes my old engineering firm was involved in the design. I would go down to the water and pull piezometer readings every quarter.
You sure about it being all over water?
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Posted on 11/1/17 at 4:23 pm to doubleb
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We've been waiting for years for gaming and the lottery to save us. It's not going to happen.
This is not a difference maker, game changer, or anything of the sort despite what they tell us.
Having a good, clean, and much larger casino downtown would definitely help the area IMO.
Posted on 11/1/17 at 4:37 pm to BRIllini07
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but I haven't seen how the constitution is worded.
Very specific in terms of waterways. Any work impacting the levee would need Corp of Engineers approval, if I recall correctly, so I believe simply digging out a hole connected to the river is essentially out of the question.
Posted on 11/1/17 at 7:22 pm to mdomingue
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but I haven't seen how the constitution is worded
It is very specific, it also seems like they worded it to where the Bayou area (Houma-Thibodaux) area would be ineligible for a casino despite having enough waterways.
Terrebonne could have one but it would have to be in an inaccessible swamp that just so happens to touch a waterway that connects to the Atchafalaya. If I remember correctly, Terrebonne voted down local option 52 to 48 even though there was no one at the time moving a boat to the area. They did vote for video poker go figure by 100 votes.
That is the reason why Morgan City has a casino, but not Houma. That casino would do better if it were closer to Houma, but ended up in that crappy location between some random tugboat docks. Also, Katrina played a role in moving that boat out of New Orleans. It just hastened it.
Posted on 11/1/17 at 7:24 pm to Flanders
during low river, it definitely looks like its just sitting on the mud.
i mean it has a moat but that looks man made
i mean it has a moat but that looks man made
Posted on 11/1/17 at 7:46 pm to Hammond Tiger Fan
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MOAR low wage paid jobs!!!
Jesus christ..
Posted on 11/1/17 at 8:56 pm to member12
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Changes could be coming to how the state regulates casinos, and—should that happen—the Belle of Baton Rouge will likely get a makeover.
Lauberge will fight this tooth & nail.
Posted on 11/1/17 at 9:04 pm to Tigeralum2008
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This specific project would definitely not make that much of an impact. However Gaming provides over $200M annually to the state in gaming taxes. Not to mention the hotel/sales taxes tourist pay while here in LA
No doubt there's an impact to the state, but much less in BR, but since we instituted gaming and the lottery the state isn't demonstrably better off.
Some consideration has to be given to locals who go to the boats who otherwise might go to local restaurants, movies, ball games, and fo other things with their discretionary dollars.
I'm not opposed to gaming, it's much better than the lottery which produces no jobs, but for BR it's just not a big deal.
Shrrveport and LC it's bigger there becsuse of tourism.
Posted on 11/1/17 at 9:05 pm to member12
Yeah and I hear it’s gonna have a Top Golf too!!!
Posted on 11/1/17 at 9:08 pm to TheCaterpillar
Casino size is regulated. Nicer, cleaner, yes that can happen, but not bigger (meaning gambling space).
I'd welcome a new, clean project, but weren't we told BR couldn't support three casinos? Who is going to invest in three nice casinos if our market is too small?
I'd welcome a new, clean project, but weren't we told BR couldn't support three casinos? Who is going to invest in three nice casinos if our market is too small?
Posted on 11/1/17 at 9:34 pm to Flanders
Building a land based casino still wouldn’t get me there... the clientele is what keeps me away from the Belle and the Hollywood, I’ll stick with the L
Posted on 11/1/17 at 9:40 pm to member12
MS recently did something similar a couple of years ago and it really helped all of the casinos on the coast. Just I believe some part of the physical gaming structure or the property cannot remember which has to be within 500 feet of free flowing natural water, basically the MS river and the Gulf.
Posted on 11/1/17 at 10:03 pm to TH03
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The over water shite is such bullshite anyways.
Agreed. Edwin Edwards biography has a great segment on how this all went down. The # of riverboat licenses was literally pulled out of thin air. The law stating the riverboats had to have full time riverboat pilots is nothing but the finest example of Louisiana politics.
Posted on 11/1/17 at 10:04 pm to TH03
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The over water shite is such bullshite anyways.
This. One of the stupidest concepts going.
And I don't gamble and have gone to casinos a single digit number of times in my entire life. I just don't get why anyone should give a shite whether it's on land or over water or not.
Posted on 11/1/17 at 10:20 pm to Hammond Tiger Fan
The hosts assigned to me and my buddies when we go to Harrah’s in Cherokee said he makes $28/hr plus commission.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:16 pm to BowDownToLSU
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Building a land based casino still wouldn’t get me there... the clientele is what keeps me away from the Belle and the Hollywood, I’ll stick with the L
This is a major problem for gaming in this state. The clientele is horrendous.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:32 pm to TH03
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The over water shite is such bullshite anyways.
This.. And maybe someone can explain this to me. I know that casinos on Indian reservations can be on land right? But what about Harras in New Orleans? How was that able to be built on land?
Also, what about truck stops that are casinos but only have video poker? I don't feel like explaining the situation, but there was a truck stop/casino that opened and I was working in a local government department that issued the permits and I remember asking the inspector how were they able to open the a casino and from what I recall, the answer was.. The owner knew who he needed to know, to get them to sign off on it.
Also, at Evangeline downs.. You can obviously bet on horses and there is "the casino" which is a big room filled with video poker machines (which I do not like to play at all). If betting on horses and playing video poker is legal, then why not offer sports betting, texas holdem, black jack, craps, etc?
Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:41 pm to jlovel7
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Also why was this ever a thing in the first place? Is there some moral benefit to not having a brick and mortar building or something?
When casino gambling was legalized in LA the law allowed for one land based casino license and twelve (I think) "riverboat" casinos. The land based license included certain guarantees (min. square footage, min. # of employees, min. payments regardless of profitability) to the state in exchange for having a land based monopoly. It also allowed EWE to extort the maximum amount from the competing gaming companies.
The "riverboats" had to sail for a minimum period (I think it was originally 3 hours) and a minimum number of times daily, unless maritime conditions were unsafe. The casinos used this to their advantage, because nobody wanted to be stuck on the boat after they'd lost their rent money. All of them had high profiles, so winds over X mph made it "unsafe" to sail. The one on the N.O. Riverfront stopped sailing whenever the river was high. Eventually, none of them were sailing, but the law still said the casino had to be over water. This is how some ended up being built in artificial lakes only slightly larger than the gaming floor itself.
I'm pretty sure the law still only allows for one land based casino. Harrah's paid a premium for their license. I doubt they'll agree to another land based casino w/o receiving some type of compensation.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 11:02 pm to OweO
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Also, what about truck stops that are casinos but only have video poker? I don't feel like explaining the situation, but there was a truck stop/casino that opened and I was working in a local government department that issued the permits and I remember asking the inspector how were they able to open the a casino and from what I recall, the answer was.. The owner knew who he needed to know, to get them to sign off on it.
Also, at Evangeline downs.. You can obviously bet on horses and there is "the casino" which is a big room filled with video poker machines (which I do not like to play at all). If betting on horses and playing video poker is legal, then why not offer sports betting, texas holdem, black jack, craps, etc?
Originally, if a truck stop sold X amount of fuel, they were allowed to put in video poker machines as a source of additional revenue. So basically it was a gas station w/ video poker. Next thing you know, giant gas stations are being built and selling fuel at cost to reach the volume required to install video poker machines, so you now have casinos that sell gas. It probably comes as no surprise to learn that there's more profit in video poker than there is in a gallon of fuel.
The horse racetracks, the N.O. Fairgrounds in particular, started crying that casino gambling (and truck stops) were siphoning degenerate gambler away from the track, so they also needed video poker to remain in business. And so it was done.
The trucks stops and racetracks can't have live gaming tables because it violates Harrah's lease/licensing agreement. Video poker only.
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