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re: Is healthcare a "right"?

Posted on 7/31/17 at 7:36 am to
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 7/31/17 at 7:36 am to
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a 1/2 trillion for Bush 2's war to pretend to find Bin Laudin in Afghanistan, although he was in Pakistan, and another trillion to make the world safe from Baathists nukes in Iraq.



Non sequitur.
Posted by JOJO Hammer
Member since Nov 2010
11939 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 7:36 am to
I would say healthcare is a basic human right. But the level of care is up for debate. Also "healthcare" is not really about healthcare. It's about insurance. And insurance is in now way shape or form a right.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 7:39 am to
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Even after high premiums people often have high deductibles that deter them from going to the doctor.

You just made the case against boondoggles like "ObamaCare".
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
35078 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 7:46 am to
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If you make healthcare an entitlement for 300 million people then what does that cost us?


Higher premiums. Rationed access to the higher quality care that paying individual's previously had.

There is a moral impetus to care for those who can not pay. There is also a moral impetus to hold irresponsible individuals (morally) accountable who demand access to health care REGARDLESS of their own irresponsible (negative) choices and behaviors.

There are tons of Bureaucrats pushing paper and trying to look busy, whose abilities could be better used toward health care. I don't know the economic dynamics, but if Government (our tax money) could educate/create/employ doctors instead of social workers...seems that would be helpful.

Of course, the best of doctors will always be reserved for those who can pay the most for said service. Supply/demand.

Pelosi is a narcissistic idiot.
Posted by Kashmir
Member since Dec 2014
7840 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 7:55 am to
the Bill of Rights says nothing about health care. being a "right" is a left-wing propaganda push to garner more votes from the lower echelon of society.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 7:56 am to
Didn't we just do this thread like a week ago?

I mean look, I have strong opinions on the subject.

But, I don't think that there will be ANYTHING new typed in this thread.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125495 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:09 am to
Someone who makes shitty lifestyle choices can't be demanding healthcare as a right.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
18099 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:10 am to
healthcare can only be a right if you believe slavery is acceptable.
Posted by UFMatt
In Traitor Joe Biden's US
Member since Oct 2010
11555 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:21 am to
Just scanned the constitution again and didn't see healthcare listed so, "No"
Posted by tarzana
TX Hwy 6--Brazos River Backwater
Member since Sep 2015
26426 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:23 am to
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Is healthcare a "right"

There is no doubt that if the current medical technology had existed in the 18th century, the Framers would have enshrined healthcare as a right in the Constitution.
Posted by vandelay industries
CSRA
Member since May 2012
2477 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:24 am to
A few months ago, my sister had some blood work done. Put it on insurance, and the tab was something like $600. A few weeks later, her son went to the same place, also to get blood work done. My sister ran a couple of errands, then went back to pick him up. He was standing outside, and she said "hold on a sec, let me go inside to take care of it", and he was like "it's OK, I already took care of it"...she was thinking WTH?, then he told her before the doctors knew she was paying with insurance, they charged him $30 cash. I can't articulate it as well as others on this board, but I'm sure something in that scenario is fricked up....
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
424741 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:24 am to
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There is no doubt that if the current medical technology had existed in the 18th century, the Framers would have enshrined healthcare as a right in the Constitution.

why do you say this, especially since there is "no doubt"?
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:32 am to
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There is no doubt that if


"There is no doubt that if".... is the kind of thing said by someone who has no evidence to support their position.
Posted by Rakim
Member since Nov 2015
9954 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:38 am to
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There is no doubt that if the current medical technology had existed in the 18th century, the Framers would have enshrined healthcare as a right in the Constitution.


Interesting, but notice how education was left out the constitution? Clearly, the terminology of enlightened education existed and still it was left out the constitution.
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
34138 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:40 am to
No

Signed,

The Laws of Nature
Posted by Machine
Earth
Member since May 2011
6001 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:40 am to
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We hold these truths to be sacred & undeniable; that all men are created equal & independent, that from that equal creation they derive rights inherent & inalienable, among which are the preservation of life, & liberty, & the pursuit of happiness; ...


of course it is
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:44 am to
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of course it is

You don't understand what a right is. Can you recite the part where someone else is forced to pay for theses things?
Thanks.
Posted by Rakim
Member since Nov 2015
9954 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:45 am to
quote:

quote:
We hold these truths to be sacred & undeniable; that all men are created equal & independent, that from that equal creation they derive rights inherent & inalienable, among which are the preservation of life, & liberty, & the pursuit of happiness; ...


of course it is





I guess killing babies is covered in that too?
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:46 am to
I think this country has a duty to make sure all of its citizens have access to affordable healthcare. If that makes it a "right", so be it.

I don't think it's a right that's enshrined in the Constitution.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
99473 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:47 am to
Again, no.

Rand Paul said it best. If it is a right, then a person can force him to treat them or risk sanction.
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