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re: LSU Football's Achilles Heel

Posted on 7/4/17 at 11:54 am to
Posted by Number 31
St. Tammany
Member since Jul 2016
4178 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 11:54 am to
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I'm just hoping the jet sweep isn't the new toss dive

It probably will be and eventually people will get sick of seeing it, but it atleast provides benefits that the toss dive didn't. The toss dive added nothing outside the opportunity for positive yardage that is attendant with literally every other type of play. The jet sweep keeps the defense honest and freezes defenders because they have to respect the speed, and you can do 10-fold the amounts of things you could do off of the toss-dive. There will no doubt be frustration when it seems like we're getting 0 and negative yardage too much, but it provides infinitely more advantages than the toss-dive.

It's the type of play that can make a defense like Alabama's pay big-time for overcommitting into our backfield, freezing their d-linemen and LBs for enoigh time for Etling to drop back and get a pass off.
Posted by LCTFAN
New Iberia
Member since Mar 2013
2743 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 3:27 pm to
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coach "O" is changing this with Miles Brennan at QB


Hope so but lets wait until he actually performs. I really hope he is the next great college QB but high school stats don't translate to college performance. Not trying to be negative but hanging the name tag too soon

I do agree with your analysis of our position weakness and would add a few good offensive linemen to the list over the years would have been a big help
Posted by timlan2057
In the Shadow of Tiger Stadium
Member since Sep 2005
17080 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 3:42 pm to
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Achilles Heel


Don't use any literary references deeper than the "How to Pick Up Babes" article in Maxim.

You'll confuse 98 percent of Rant posters.
Posted by HC87
Coastal NC
Member since Dec 2014
4590 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 3:48 pm to
Just my take, the achilles heel has not been a position but a coordinator....the OFF Coordinator. Canada, with a balanced OFF that has the ability to put the ball downfield with explosive plays, will totally open up LSU recruiting opportunities across the entire OFF. This is a huge season for the OFF. Perform well, and you will obviously see it in the W-L column AND on the recruiting trail.

Posted by LSUGrad9295
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2007
33713 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 4:04 pm to
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Achilles Heel


Don't use any literary references deeper than the "How to Pick Up Babes" article in Maxim.

You'll confuse 98 percent of Rant posters



And that includes former football coaches...


"The play of our defensive backs has really been our Achilles tendon lately"

~uttered by none other than Hudson "Curley" Hallman.
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
69473 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 4:07 pm to
Highsmith, Sheppard, Minter, both Beckwiths?

I'm sure I'm missing some, but I don't think LSU has been missing talent at the Mike position.

My opinion on the struggles in the run game past 2012 was lack of talent and depth at defensive tackle.

And we lost to UGA in 13 because of youth in the secondary.

But carry on.


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Kevin Minter also was great at Line Backer but when he got hurt at Florida it cost us the game.
and you're thinking of the wrong player.

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He had a career-best 20 tackles and 2.0 sacks against Florida, and his 17 solo tackles versus Florida was an LSU single-game record.
This post was edited on 7/4/17 at 4:21 pm
Posted by Space Cowboy
Member since Oct 2016
4079 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 5:13 pm to
I disagree, I think LSU Football's Achilles heel was Les Miles.
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
58071 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 5:25 pm to
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Last season LSU was ranked the #1 OL by PFF. It does seem strange since they were definitely questionable in pass protection, but according to their metrics we had a great line.


I would like to see their formula. pass pro was mostly awful.
Posted by cypresstiger
The South
Member since Aug 2008
10733 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 5:30 pm to

To be fair, bama abused everyone's OL last year.
--not Clemson's :-)
Posted by BigWalt
Member since Jul 2017
128 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 5:35 pm to
I agree
Posted by KingwoodLsuFan
Member since Aug 2008
11447 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 5:49 pm to
There's no secret to what the problem is. Qbs that aren't developed and a awful offensive system. Hopefully Canada can bring some life to the offense and develop narcisse and brennan.no idea how you thought mlb was a problem. Our lb crew might not be bama lvl but has been extremely solid.
Posted by Ethan Martin
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2006
1702 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 8:50 pm to
Welter started against UGA, Minted left the game against Fla and we have up the winning drive.
Posted by dljtigers
Sulphur, LA
Member since Feb 2012
1822 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 11:13 pm to
QB, Defensive Tackle, OL, MLB in that order. When we finally get a really good QB we will be tough to contend with.
Posted by tarzana
TX Hwy 6--Brazos River Backwater
Member since Sep 2015
26534 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 11:17 pm to
QB has been the Tigers' perennial Achilles' tendon, and if Etling is the starter, this year will be no different.

So far the last 10 years have seen one excellent Tiger QB: Mettenberger.
Posted by luvlsufootball
Member since Apr 2014
945 posts
Posted on 7/5/17 at 1:25 am to
These kind of posts demonstrate:

1. Posters here don't really pay attention

2. But merely regurgitate what they've heard.

Without true qb development and a system that fits your talent, qbs will always seem to be the blame. It's the chicken not the egg.

The true x-factor will be how does Canada's offense fit in the SEC. It all starts with scheme
Posted by Guava Jelly
Bawston
Member since Jul 2009
11653 posts
Posted on 7/5/17 at 4:36 am to
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Sure... Offensive line will be the issue this year though

Disagree wholeheartedly. We've got depth and talent at OL. Just need to stay healthy. Also, we have to get better in pass pro. DE can be a serviceable to decent QB if he has time to make a throw.

Kid was running for his life during SEC play last season.
Posted by semjase
New Smyrna Beach FL
Member since May 2014
11159 posts
Posted on 7/5/17 at 4:46 am to
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Offensive line will be the issue this year though
Yes!
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26789 posts
Posted on 7/5/17 at 9:37 am to
The talent has been there at QB, just not the development or offensive system. There was not one good starting QB at LSU that Miles took straight from high school and developed year one. Jefferson had a great sophomore year (in spite of a dreadful OL and zero rushing threat), Lee was pretty efficient as a redshirt senior, but that was about it for a man that ran the program for over 10 years. You can't tell me that many QBs were just awful to begin with. We're not talking NFL or anything, just good college QBs. I've seen guys that couldn't start or lost their starting jobs to mediocre players yet were stars on other teams like Nathan Peterman - Tenn to Pitt, Clint Trickett - FSU to WVU, Jacoby Brissett - UF to NCST, Jake Coker - FSU to Bama, Jeff Driskel - UF to LA Tech, etc).

Once, and I do mean once, LSU gets consistently good QB play, the dynasty will begin. LSU is the only school with top 5 talent over the last 5 years that hasn't won a national championship. Hell, we haven't even come close. Our last 11+ win season was in 2011. Penn St has had an 11 win season since we last did, think about that one. A school that was under heavy sanctions and in the same division as Meyer and Harbaugh. Did it with an awesome back in Barkley and a redshirt freshman QB who started weak and finished incredibly strong over the season. A playmaker QB in an open offense. Really wish we give one of the younger guys a chance at QB this year.
This post was edited on 7/5/17 at 11:24 am
Posted by fierysnowman
Louisiana
Member since Jan 2015
1999 posts
Posted on 7/5/17 at 9:47 am to
2015 haul was one of the best oline classes in the country.

Maybe it was 2014...but he has actually done and continues to do a good job recruiting oline.

Not to mention he's had to recruit against the stigma of LSU having weak offenses every year. I think he's done admirably
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 7/5/17 at 9:51 am to
Having a predictable offense is the worst thing possible for an OL.

I think the new schemes will show that we have more talent on the OL than we thought.
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