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Posted on 6/25/17 at 6:12 pm to wildtigercat93
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Well that was a thread to troll smokers so of course people got rilled up
And their responses were so completely predictable. You know why that is? Because smokers have developed a reputation of being defensive of something they know is going to send them to an earlier death.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 6:12 pm to NIH
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There's a lot of anger coming from the smoking side in this thread.
I remember as a kid "open container" being a hot topic. I can recall the news covering it and pros and cons. The argument was made for the refinery workers. It should be their right to knock down a tall boy on the way home. They lost though.
Any argument FOR personal freedom is lost on me where smoking is concerned. The smoke invades my personal space. I went to smoking bars in college and right out of high school all the time. Didn't know any better and didn't care. 19 year old me would have ran through a brick wall for different poon. What did I care if the path to the wall was smokey.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 6:14 pm to NIH
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IIRC, you are/were a bartender. What do you think economic effects would be on either side?
With a ban or without a ban?
With a ban- the market will be damaged. Some die hard smokers and will choose to stop going to bars since they can't smoke and it completely removes them from the market.
Without a ban- there are still just as many options for non smoking bars as the low percentage of smokers (and declining rates) will make it financially viable for most bars to not allow it. This however will create a market opportunity for a small percentage of bars to use smoking as a competitive advantage over the other bars and attract die hard smokers and people who don't mind smoke. The market will thrive on its own without government interference
Posted on 6/25/17 at 6:15 pm to NIH
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Even when your "freedom" negatively affects others?
It does not affect anyone negatively who does not make an active decision to be affected
Posted on 6/25/17 at 6:16 pm to LSU alum wannabe
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The argument "just go to non smoking places" is wrong where Houston was concerned in late 2000's. There were no places that were non smoking.
This was my experience in places that didn't have an indoor smoking ban.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 6:16 pm to LSU alum wannabe
Going from college bars that allowed it to mid 20s bars that didn't opened my eyes.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 6:16 pm to Sentrius
Again, I don't think that thread proves anything 
If I made a thread saying anyone who doesn't smoke is a pussy then I'd probably get some dumb responses from non smokers.
If I made a thread saying anyone who doesn't smoke is a pussy then I'd probably get some dumb responses from non smokers.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 6:16 pm to LSU alum wannabe
Only a couple smoking bars were allowed to remain open in Houston after the ban was passed. The last one, Downing Street, a damn nice cigar bar, was forced to ban smoking by their landlord, who bought the property after the ban. They were, thys, unable to move, or open anywhere else inside city limits.
They were screwed, and closed due to lack of business within months.
They were screwed, and closed due to lack of business within months.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 6:16 pm to TigernMS12
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I'll just say that it's clear there is two sides to this coin and an argument to made for both. Just have to agree to disagree.
Exactly.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 6:17 pm to NIH
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Message Mandeville to consider banning smoking in bars by NIH Even when your "freedom" negatively affects others?
They freely put themselves there
Posted on 6/25/17 at 6:18 pm to wildtigercat93
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If there's no non smoking bars (I call bullshite), then there's a huge market opportunity and you should stop arguing with me on TD and go start a bar and make millions.
Anyone care to back me up on Houston in 2007ish? Every bar was smoking.
Smoking could be banned in all indoor public spaces as fas as I am concerned. I DO agree that it is excessive when it is pushed outside. I've read stories of people in their backyards getting tickets etc for smoking? That is ridiculous.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 6:18 pm to wildtigercat93
Yep. The bar owners in Lafayette that argued against it cited the threat of small town bars that allowed it. Definitely understood that and also thought about how far addicted you'd have to be to travel across city lines to smoke.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 6:18 pm to NIH
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You're starting to seem mad
Posted on 6/25/17 at 6:19 pm to TigernMS12
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This was my experience in places that didn't have an indoor smoking ban.
I'm calling such bullshite on this
most places are smoke free now without bans. It just makes sense to appeal to the masses. And again if there aren't any....that's a huge business opportunity. That's like opening up a burger joint in a metropolis that doesn't have a burger joint option around town. It would be a gold mine Posted on 6/25/17 at 6:20 pm to NIH
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Posted by NIH online on 6/25/17 at 6:18 pm to wildtigercat93 Yep. The bar owners in Lafayette that argued against it cited the threat of small town bars that allowed it. Definitely understood that and also thought about how far addicted you'd have to be to travel across city lines to smoke.
Well if they banned pussy in Baton Rouge, I guaren-damn-tee you I'm taking my arse to New Orleans to drink
Posted on 6/25/17 at 6:21 pm to RedPop4
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The last one, Downing Street, a damn nice cigar bar, was forced to ban smoking by their landlord, who bought the property after the ban. They were, thys, unable to move, or open anywhere else inside ci
There are no cigar bars in Houston? I thought there still were?
I recall Mason Jar on I-10 still being smoking at the bar up until recently closing. They were somehow grandfathered in? Or technically were Hedwig Village.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 6:21 pm to LSU alum wannabe
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Any argument FOR personal freedom is lost on me where smoking is concerned. The smoke invades my personal space. I went to smoking bars in college and right out of high school all the time. Didn't know any better and didn't care. 19 year old me would have ran through a brick wall for different poon. What did I care if the path to the wall was smokey.
Why?
Posted on 6/25/17 at 6:21 pm to Salmon
I also freely went to a Starbucks earlier. Should you have the right to smoke there? Airports? Book stores? Should we go back to the 1960s?
Posted on 6/25/17 at 6:22 pm to wildtigercat93
That's precisely why I didn't notice in college.
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