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re: Mandeville to consider banning smoking in bars
Posted on 6/25/17 at 8:53 pm to TigernMS12
Posted on 6/25/17 at 8:53 pm to TigernMS12
No one disputes this.
It is the amount of government "protection" that is debatable.
I don't smoke. I prefer non-smoking bars. I'm glad restaurants are non-smoking. I'm glad my clothes don't smell like last week's ashtray.
However, what I dislike even more is a Hilary-esque government entity (local, parish, state, federal) telling me, "I'm the government. I know better than you what is best for you. Leave it to us to make your choices."
It is the amount of government "protection" that is debatable.
I don't smoke. I prefer non-smoking bars. I'm glad restaurants are non-smoking. I'm glad my clothes don't smell like last week's ashtray.
However, what I dislike even more is a Hilary-esque government entity (local, parish, state, federal) telling me, "I'm the government. I know better than you what is best for you. Leave it to us to make your choices."
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Posted on 6/25/17 at 8:55 pm to TigernMS12
No one is disputing that the government has the right or ability to ban smoking.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 8:59 pm to Honky Lips
quote:Stopped in there one afternoon to ask directions. Took me 2 weeks to get rid of the smell. It was gawd awful in that place.
Deanna Drake, a bar tender at Ruby's Roadhouse,
Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:05 pm to mikrit54
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However, what I dislike even more is a Hilary-esque government entity (local, parish, state, federal) telling me, "I'm the government. I know better than you what is best for you. Leave it to us to make your choices."
There are major points you are completely ingoring. Our government is setup where elected officials make choices based on their constituents wishes. If an elected official feels the majority of his or her constituents want a certain law passed, it's their job to get that law passed.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:05 pm to mikrit54
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It is the amount of government "protection" that is debatable.
But it's not debatable. Every single protection granted by the government, every single one, is only possible because we the people authorize it. We do so by voting. The collective will of the people is the sole reason why legislatures are in their position, and they get there because they believe in things that are common to the constituency of their respective districts/wards. If you don't like the way things are going, persuade enough people to agree with you and get people in office that more closely resemble your ideals. The fact that Donald Trump is president right now is possibly the single greatest example of this.
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However, what I dislike even more is a Hilary-esque government entity (local, parish, state, federal) telling me, "I'm the government. I know better than you what is best for you. Leave it to us to make your choices."
Again, your forgetting the required precedent fact that is absolutely necessary before the government can take any action. They must be put there by the people.
If people don't like this then I don't know what to tell them. Before even talking about any rights, liberties, laws, restrictions, or privileges with respect to our society and the foundation of our country, you must first recognize that the single most basic and ever present ideal with regards to our country is the idea of a democratic republic.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:11 pm to Salmon
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No one is disputing that the government has the right or ability to ban smoking.
How is that not the implicit assertion when the argument is the proprietor has the right/freedom to choose for himself?
If the argument that the proprietor should have the right, then I would say you should take that up with Adams, Franklin, Hamilton, and the boys.
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 9:14 pm
Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:13 pm to TigernMS12
Well, as long as you believe that, then I'm happy for you.
I'm sure all of our lawmakers have our best interests at heart 100% of the time. I'm glad to know that they speak through us and for us.
Mitch says hi!
I'm sure all of our lawmakers have our best interests at heart 100% of the time. I'm glad to know that they speak through us and for us.
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Every single protection granted by the government, every single one, is only possible because we the people authorize it. We do so by voting. The collective will of the people is the sole reason why legislatures are in their position, and they get there because they believe in things that are common to the constituency of their respective districts/wards.
Mitch says hi!Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:15 pm to mikrit54
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Mitch says hi!
Who was also democratically elected by your state (assuming you live in LA).
Edit: Elected by NOLA, I was thinking JBE for some reason.
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:15 pm to TigernMS12
The state elected a mayor?
Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:17 pm to Honky Lips
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Also, I'm about 100% a pussy
Fify
Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:22 pm to AbitaFan08
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The state elected a mayor?
Don't know why I was thinking JBE, probably a combination of how terrible each are in my own opinion and the fact that I don't live in LA or concern myself with LA politics. Regardless, Mitch was elected by the city he serves. Point still stands. As much as I disagree with him, apparently the citizens of NOLA do not and that's their prerogative.
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:47 pm to LSU alum wannabe
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I've neither the time for your directness, nor your lack of hyperbole. As a matter of fact, I resent it.
Well.
I can't argue with that.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:15 pm to TigernMS12
I believe regulation should be enacted when necessary, no other time is it appropriate. This is a situation in which the market does not need regulation, it can self regulate.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:41 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I believe regulation should be enacted when necessary, no other time is it appropriate.
It becomes necessary when the majority of a constituency deems it so. If 74% of Mandeville's 4th district want to outlaw Wrigley's gum, it's the job of their councilperson to bring the issue up. If the rest of Mandeville agrees, it becomes law. That's how government works.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:44 pm to Honky Lips
quote:it's official. you're an idiot.
It becomes necessary when the majority of a constituency deems it so. If 74% of Mandeville's 4th district want to outlaw Wrigley's gum, it's the job of their councilperson to bring the issue up. If the rest of Mandeville agrees, it becomes law. That's how government works.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:46 pm to rocket31
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This isn't a conservative/liberal argument dumbass
I'm not the one that made it a conservative / regressive argument cock smoker.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:58 pm to Honky Lips
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It becomes necessary when the majority of a constituency deems it so. If 74% of Mandeville's 4th district want to outlaw Wrigley's gum, it's the job of their councilperson to bring the issue up. If the rest of Mandeville agrees, it becomes law. That's how government works.
What if 74% of Mandeville's 4th district wanted to ban you from ever entering?
Posted on 6/25/17 at 11:18 pm to USMCTiger03
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What if 74% of Mandeville's 4th district wanted to ban you from ever entering?
That actually is a violation of the Privileges and Immunities Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, which is an enumerated fundamental right precluding the government from acting contrary to it.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 11:20 pm to bconne1
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What about the freedom of the individuals getting to suck down some a-hole smoker's exhaust?
yes.. that is what NON SMOKING BARS are for....
AMAZING! who could have ever come up with such an idea. I should be a frickin billionaire
Posted on 6/25/17 at 11:21 pm to Honky Lips
the right to choose another establishment.
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