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Suicide attempt thread sparked a question in my head
Posted on 6/21/17 at 8:44 am
Posted on 6/21/17 at 8:44 am
Let me preface this by saying I believe Owlfan86 eloquently responded to the original post, and I hope to achieve the same.
My 31 year old sister(who lives off of my parents) started doing crack. She has been stealing from my parents for years, but within the past year it got severe. She "sold" three of my parents' vehicles for either money or drugs, and told my parents that she had a friend doing repairs to them.
My sister would tell my mother she was out working(cleaning houses, even though she wouldn't help straighten up our parents' home) while she was out prostituting for drugs or money.
She lost all four of her children, the older two to their father, the younger two to their paternal grandmother, and was ordered to have no contact with her children.
This past weekend, my brother and I informed her it was time for her and her boyfriend to move out of our parents' home. We did the best we could at the time to ensure that they can't sneak back into the house, as they had rigged a few windows so that were they put out they could reenter.
So, after hearing and seeing the results of everything she had been doing, to herself and my parents, I don't care what happens to her. If she decided to kill herself I would not care.
My mother still feels as though she should be helping my sister. My brother and I feel that if our parents have anything else to do with our sister(or especially they let her move back in,) we will be forced to sever ties with our parents for the sake of our own families.
So, the question I have is this: If a person feels they are a detriment to society, and can in no way be a productive or contributing member of society, are we wrong to force them to receive help? Should we let a person that feels like that commit suicide?
My 31 year old sister(who lives off of my parents) started doing crack. She has been stealing from my parents for years, but within the past year it got severe. She "sold" three of my parents' vehicles for either money or drugs, and told my parents that she had a friend doing repairs to them.
My sister would tell my mother she was out working(cleaning houses, even though she wouldn't help straighten up our parents' home) while she was out prostituting for drugs or money.
She lost all four of her children, the older two to their father, the younger two to their paternal grandmother, and was ordered to have no contact with her children.
This past weekend, my brother and I informed her it was time for her and her boyfriend to move out of our parents' home. We did the best we could at the time to ensure that they can't sneak back into the house, as they had rigged a few windows so that were they put out they could reenter.
So, after hearing and seeing the results of everything she had been doing, to herself and my parents, I don't care what happens to her. If she decided to kill herself I would not care.
My mother still feels as though she should be helping my sister. My brother and I feel that if our parents have anything else to do with our sister(or especially they let her move back in,) we will be forced to sever ties with our parents for the sake of our own families.
So, the question I have is this: If a person feels they are a detriment to society, and can in no way be a productive or contributing member of society, are we wrong to force them to receive help? Should we let a person that feels like that commit suicide?
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Posted on 6/21/17 at 8:46 am to Azranod
Have you called the cops? Grand theft auto?
Plant a shite ton of crack on her so they will lock her up for dealing?
Plant a shite ton of crack on her so they will lock her up for dealing?
Posted on 6/21/17 at 8:47 am to Azranod
It's often extremely difficult, if not impossible, to halt the self-destruction of destructive people.
In a similar situation I think I'd likely mourn the loss of a sibling while not being terribly shy about it ending a pattern of damage to the lives of many other people.
In a similar situation I think I'd likely mourn the loss of a sibling while not being terribly shy about it ending a pattern of damage to the lives of many other people.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 8:48 am to Azranod
If they refuse help and in no way has any interest in quitting what they are doing then yes.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 8:56 am to Azranod
So without knowing your life story how'd your sister end of so fricked up and you and your brother contributing members of society?
Posted on 6/21/17 at 8:58 am to Azranod
I've been totally wasted and wished for death before but glad I survived. When a person is not in a normal state it's not ok to just let them be. They need help no matter what.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 9:03 am to Azranod
This reads like an episode of Intervention.
Sorry to hear you have a fricked up sister.
I have a brother that was pretty bad off. He would steal from my parents and shite like that. He ruined a few family holidays. Then 1 year I told my mom we weren't coming home for the holidays because of the shite he pulled. She told me not to worry that he was in jail. He spent a year and half in the Bradshaw Correctional Facility in Texas and came out a much better person. He got out probably 9 years ago and has completely turned his life around. He found a good woman, married her, bought his own house and is doing great.
Like you, I had given up on him and just assumed I'd never see him again. So there is hope.
Sorry to hear you have a fricked up sister.
I have a brother that was pretty bad off. He would steal from my parents and shite like that. He ruined a few family holidays. Then 1 year I told my mom we weren't coming home for the holidays because of the shite he pulled. She told me not to worry that he was in jail. He spent a year and half in the Bradshaw Correctional Facility in Texas and came out a much better person. He got out probably 9 years ago and has completely turned his life around. He found a good woman, married her, bought his own house and is doing great.
Like you, I had given up on him and just assumed I'd never see him again. So there is hope.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 9:09 am to Azranod
Force them to get help , yes
No, on letting your sister to commit suicide.
Also, your mother is the enabler as long as your mother keeps this up nothing will change.
No, on letting your sister to commit suicide.
Also, your mother is the enabler as long as your mother keeps this up nothing will change.
This post was edited on 6/21/17 at 9:11 am
Posted on 6/21/17 at 9:17 am to Azranod
You can't help a drug addict, alcoholic, or any other addiction until they want help. They are they ones that have to make that choice.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 9:18 am to Azranod
Drug addiction is not the same thing as depression
Posted on 6/21/17 at 9:21 am to Azranod
quote:
My mother still feels as though she should be helping my sister.
Have your mother read up on enabling. She actually causing more harm than good.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 9:41 am to Azranod
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she was out prostituting
pics?
Posted on 6/21/17 at 9:54 am to Azranod
I don't have kids so I guess I can't say for sure, but I know what I would do we're I in a situation like this because of my personality so I will speak as my siblings as example.
If my siblings ever turned out like this, I would never want them to kill themselves, but I can tell you I would never enable them. I would do whatever I could to help, but once they show me they didn't want help id be done with it. At some point people have to take personal responsibility. That's what's wrong with this country.
Drugs are awful and addiction is real, but humans can overcome anything if they want to. Your sister and others know what they are doing is wrong, hut they know it's going to be hard to stop and don't want to deal with it. At some point you just have to let people go and mess up and hopefully they will learn. If not screw em.
If my siblings ever turned out like this, I would never want them to kill themselves, but I can tell you I would never enable them. I would do whatever I could to help, but once they show me they didn't want help id be done with it. At some point people have to take personal responsibility. That's what's wrong with this country.
Drugs are awful and addiction is real, but humans can overcome anything if they want to. Your sister and others know what they are doing is wrong, hut they know it's going to be hard to stop and don't want to deal with it. At some point you just have to let people go and mess up and hopefully they will learn. If not screw em.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 9:57 am to Azranod
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while she was out prostituting for drugs or money
How much for half hour "massage"?
Posted on 6/21/17 at 10:01 am to Azranod
I know a girl like you describe that I used to frick in high school. She went down a very bad path.
A couple of weeks ago she got killed in a car crash with some old skeezer. She left 2 kids behind and in all honesty, those kids will be better off.
A couple of weeks ago she got killed in a car crash with some old skeezer. She left 2 kids behind and in all honesty, those kids will be better off.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 10:01 am to Azranod
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Azranod
do you have kids?
Posted on 6/21/17 at 10:06 am to Azranod
Having been thru this, I can say your parents are enabling her and boyfriend, which can contribute to her likely death. I'm sorry you are having to go thru this. She has a chance if the enabling stops. If it doesn't stop, she will wrech havoc on entire family.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 10:12 am to Azranod
Maybe but your sister needs to go backpacking. Get her arse in the car and take her to the mountains and seperate her from the world for a couple of months. Might help, but addictions forever change people and its sad that they can be lasting.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 2:10 pm to Azranod
No, life is precious. Not according to the left, but life is fricking precious.
Suicide is a long term solution to a short term problem.
EVERY HUMAN has value, and while your sister has clearly lost her way, it is more than likely the drugs that have caused all this.
Your sister is still in there underneath this cloud of drugs. Can she get out? yes, Will she? That all depends on her.
Sounds like she has burned all of her bridges. Some people hit rock bottom and bounce back up. If you feel you should wash your hands, I think most would feel that is justified. I would not sever ties with my parents just to ensure severing ties with your sister. All this being said, if something permanent happens, will you be saddled with a life time of guilt for non-action? or do you truly feel you have done your job and tried to support? (PS not implying either way, I know nothing of the situation, just throwing out food for thought.)
Here is to hoping for good luck.
Suicide is a long term solution to a short term problem.
EVERY HUMAN has value, and while your sister has clearly lost her way, it is more than likely the drugs that have caused all this.
Your sister is still in there underneath this cloud of drugs. Can she get out? yes, Will she? That all depends on her.
Sounds like she has burned all of her bridges. Some people hit rock bottom and bounce back up. If you feel you should wash your hands, I think most would feel that is justified. I would not sever ties with my parents just to ensure severing ties with your sister. All this being said, if something permanent happens, will you be saddled with a life time of guilt for non-action? or do you truly feel you have done your job and tried to support? (PS not implying either way, I know nothing of the situation, just throwing out food for thought.)
Here is to hoping for good luck.
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