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re: What's your one solution to end terrorism?
Posted on 5/23/17 at 11:30 am to Street Hawk
Posted on 5/23/17 at 11:30 am to Street Hawk
Stop training, arming, and funding foreign revolutionaries.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 11:52 am to Street Hawk
Put all shitlibs in internment camps.
This post was edited on 5/23/17 at 11:53 am
Posted on 5/23/17 at 3:32 pm to Street Hawk
Stop taking refugees from ME. Repatriate the refugees that are in the country. If any mosque has ties to terrorist or terrorism, we should enact the Clinton/Reno strategy.
1. Attack the place of worship.
2. Burn it down.
3. Leave no survivors.
4. Use the "we did it to save the children" defense.
1. Attack the place of worship.
2. Burn it down.
3. Leave no survivors.
4. Use the "we did it to save the children" defense.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 3:35 pm to Street Hawk
Unless we prevented them from traveling here then it wouldn't matter.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 3:42 pm to Street Hawk
Spread Atheism.
My god is better than yours never works.
You can't kill your way out of this one either.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 3:44 pm to LSUcjb318
quote:Worked really well for Stalin.
Spread Atheism.
My god is better than yours never works.
You can't kill your way out of this one either
Posted on 5/23/17 at 3:47 pm to Street Hawk
No, wouldn't end terrorism, nor would it put a dent in it. Our presence there is only an excuse. If we left, then they'd point to western culture creeping in to their society, while others would still pursue conversion via the sword. Those already living in Western countries would act out in an effort to bring their customs to greater prominence in their host country.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 3:47 pm to Street Hawk
Don't these terrorist assholes realize that it just makes life harder for other Muslims that are just trying to live their life quietly and peacefully? As if wearing a hajib isn't punishment enough..
Posted on 5/23/17 at 3:58 pm to FooManChoo
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Worked really well for Stalin.
Every group has shitty sects. But when average people believe that they are doing gods work, you have bigger problems.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 3:59 pm to crazy4lsu
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Start talking about Islamists and Islamism. Starting there would at least give us an understanding of what is going on in the ME.
I've long favored the funding of Islamic schools by Western countries to counteract the Saudi funding. The Gulf Arab funding in general is why we are where we are. Something has to be done to counteract that. There are many schools the West could base it on, such as Mu'tazila or the Averroism, with the former now an epithet in jihadi circles.
As long as the Gulf Arabs continue to fund these schools in different countries, even in the West, terrorism will have an intellectual and ideological basis.
This is such an overlooked solution. Everyone wants a MOAB, instant kill, method of defeating the likes of ISIS. The problem is, it will take generations to defeat the extremist interpretations of the Quran that ISIS uses. You can't *kill* ideologies. You have to shift it over time. It took quite a long time before the Puritans stopped believing in witchcraft. It will take a long time to eliminate the extremist nature of Muslim faith.
Now, I'm not saying we need to sit back and not do anything in the meanwhile. I think Trump's pushing this week to get more of the Muslim countries to fight them is a giant leap forward. But you can drop all the bombs in the world... without educating and reconditioning the young population on a better and more compelling interpretation than what ISIS is pushing, there will always be the potential of terrorism.
I can tell you, I have had this exact conversation with several Muslims while drinking bourbon in a bar in Abu Dhabi -- their take on it is, they want more American cars and women in their cities and fewer bombs and violence.
Another way to look at is this -- how long has racism lasted in this country? How many blacks were strung up in the hanging tree just for looking the wrong way when a white woman was in their vicinity? It took a looong time for the US to evolve. And once that wave of evolution began, it picked up steam very rapidly. Racism definitely still exists here, but it is now an exception and not the norm. Believe it or not, the extremist/radical muslims are a minority to the more modern passive-minded muslims. Their evolutionary wave has begun - we just need to facilitate it. Bombs alone will not achieve those goals.
TL;DR -- bring the downvotes.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 4:00 pm to Street Hawk
Posted this in the other thread earlier, but:
It's complicated, and I don't think people have the stomach for it.
1. Ban the funding of mosques from foreign sources
2. Strict background checks on all imported imams
3. Prison reform. A shite-ton of these people are radicalised in prison.
4. Get off foreign oil
5. Move to a foreign policy in the Middle East that actually favours human rights. Don't give Saudi Arabia money until they stop boosting Salafism, for example.
6. Help new migrants integrate. This is the problem in France, for example. The Muslims came in, were settled in shite-holes, and were forced by the government to stay there. They then got shitty or no jobs, and their children got shitty or no jobs, so they never felt like part of the country, even though they could speak the language and 'looked' French.
7. ISIS, unlike other terrorist groups, will need to be taken out by a ground force due to their claim of a caliphate.
8. Actually learn about Islam. You're not going to get someone to buy into your civililisation unless you at least try to learn something about them.
It's complicated, and I don't think people have the stomach for it.
1. Ban the funding of mosques from foreign sources
2. Strict background checks on all imported imams
3. Prison reform. A shite-ton of these people are radicalised in prison.
4. Get off foreign oil
5. Move to a foreign policy in the Middle East that actually favours human rights. Don't give Saudi Arabia money until they stop boosting Salafism, for example.
6. Help new migrants integrate. This is the problem in France, for example. The Muslims came in, were settled in shite-holes, and were forced by the government to stay there. They then got shitty or no jobs, and their children got shitty or no jobs, so they never felt like part of the country, even though they could speak the language and 'looked' French.
7. ISIS, unlike other terrorist groups, will need to be taken out by a ground force due to their claim of a caliphate.
8. Actually learn about Islam. You're not going to get someone to buy into your civililisation unless you at least try to learn something about them.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 4:01 pm to Street Hawk
Remove all Muslims from the West. Problem solved. I mean why would they want to live in the West filled with "infidels" they hate?
It's a win-win for all of us.
It's a win-win for all of us.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 4:04 pm to Stingray
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Economic pressure that gets Muslim women into the workforce, which would act as the first domino for full recognition of female rights in the Muslim World.
There are very few Muslim dominated countries in this world which do not allow women to work. Granted, most of the Arab Muslim countries are still male dominated. But in places like UAE and Qatar - about 20 - 40% of the Muslim women work.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 4:04 pm to LSUcjb318
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But when average people believe that they are doing gods work, you have bigger problems.
So, you support the work of Stalin and Lenin, but reject the work done by the Founding Father's of America. With friends like you, who needs to be murdered by socialists?
Posted on 5/23/17 at 4:05 pm to Street Hawk
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What's your one solution to end terrorism?
You just have to call it radical Islamic terrorism!
Posted on 5/23/17 at 4:11 pm to Floating Change Up
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The problem is, it will take generations to defeat the extremist interpretations of the Quran that ISIS uses. You can't *kill* ideologies. You have to shift it over time. It took quite a long time before the Puritans stopped believing in witchcraft. It will take a long time to eliminate the extremist nature of Muslim faith.
Exactly. It took generations for this ideology to take root and grow. It took Muslim Brotherhood types running for Nasser's Egypt and becoming educators in the KSA to spread it to the youth. Funding of Jihadi Salafist mosques that continued the spread. This didn't just happen and isn't going to go away quickly.
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they want more American cars and women in their cities and fewer bombs and violence.
Cars and titties vs bombs, death, destruction, and freedom limiting laws in the name of religion. Yeah, that's not a difficult choice.
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the extremist/radical muslims are a minority to the more modern passive-minded muslims. Their evolutionary wave has begun - we just need to facilitate it. Bombs alone will not achieve those goals.
I'm with you. Such a long term solution isn't going to be an easy sell when the random violence is unpredictable and scary. This is the only solution that has a chance to work though, imho.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 4:12 pm to jrodLSUke
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So, you support the work of Stalin and Lenin, but reject the work done by the Founding Father's of America. With friends like you, who needs to be murdered by socialists?
Now you are just making up straw man arguments.
Some people are just bad people no matter what. But religion makes a lot of normal people think they are serving god.
I don't support Stalin or Lenin. I don't support all Atheist.
Religion defines some people (GOD First)
Atheism is just the lack of belief. Its not a doctrine to live by.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 4:14 pm to Duke
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I'm with you. Such a long term solution isn't going to be an easy sell when the random violence is unpredictable and scary. This is the only solution that has a chance to work though, imho.
Why do we need Muslims in the west? What purpose do they serve?
Posted on 5/23/17 at 4:18 pm to Street Hawk
Announce to the world that the US has decided to accept the challenge from islamists for war. There will be a designated military zone for all fighters to come into and all civilians to escape from. Start mobilizing and make it look like we're serious. Then bomb all the bad guys and go home.
Posted on 5/23/17 at 4:19 pm to AUstar
Decent number in the medical field. So there's that.
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