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Anyone else think Nixon was treated unfairly?
Posted on 2/20/17 at 9:29 am
Posted on 2/20/17 at 9:29 am
Compare Nixon's Watergate to some of the scandals of HRC and Obama that the media swept completely under the rug, and what he did just really doesn't seem like a big deal (I still don't think it that bad even without this frame of reference). Definitely not big enough of an issue for the guys name to become virtually synonymous with political dishonestly in American history in perpetuity.
Thoughts? I wasn't alive at the time but my parents and grandparents have expressed sympathy for the way he was treated before and I'm curious if this is a common sentiment.
Thoughts? I wasn't alive at the time but my parents and grandparents have expressed sympathy for the way he was treated before and I'm curious if this is a common sentiment.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 9:32 am to Big_Slim
Think of it like sports rules and cheating.
Anything bad you do is punishable.
Things you do to undermine the electoral/democratic competitive process, while in some ways not having as much direct material harm on people, are treated as the most egregious offenses. The integrity of the game (democratic process) is treated more seriously than anything else.
I'd say burglarizing a campaign headquarters, directed by the White House, falls under this category.
Anything bad you do is punishable.
Things you do to undermine the electoral/democratic competitive process, while in some ways not having as much direct material harm on people, are treated as the most egregious offenses. The integrity of the game (democratic process) is treated more seriously than anything else.
I'd say burglarizing a campaign headquarters, directed by the White House, falls under this category.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 9:37 am to Big_Slim
It's like hundred dollar handshakes in recruiting, nobody is clean but rules are still rules.
You have to be careful not to bite off more than you can chew. Getting away with it, or making sure someone else gets busted, is political. It is politics after all
You have to be careful not to bite off more than you can chew. Getting away with it, or making sure someone else gets busted, is political. It is politics after all
Posted on 2/20/17 at 9:37 am to Big_Slim
you cannot view Nixon's second term and what happened without understanding the impact of J Edgar Hoover's death in 1972.
it shaped everything. Nixon was the first president since Roosevelt to be the most powerful man in the world.
Nixon felt unrestrained, but at the same time, so did the press. in the end, Nixon fricked himself.
ETA: also, if j edgar hoover was alive, there wouldn't be leaks coming from the fbi. for a variety of reasons i guess what i'm saying is, if hoover were alive, Nixon never goes down, and "Watergate" never happened as far as the public is concerned.
it shaped everything. Nixon was the first president since Roosevelt to be the most powerful man in the world.
Nixon felt unrestrained, but at the same time, so did the press. in the end, Nixon fricked himself.
ETA: also, if j edgar hoover was alive, there wouldn't be leaks coming from the fbi. for a variety of reasons i guess what i'm saying is, if hoover were alive, Nixon never goes down, and "Watergate" never happened as far as the public is concerned.
This post was edited on 2/20/17 at 9:51 am
Posted on 2/20/17 at 9:40 am to Big_Slim
quote:
Compare Nixon's Watergate to some of the scandals of HRC and Obama that the media swept completely under the rug, and what he did just really doesn't seem like a big deal (I still don't think it that bad even without this frame of reference).
Nixon actually ordered the break-in at the DNC. That is pretty important.
"The transcripts depict a campaign finance scandal that dwarfs the current controversy in Washington (10/21/97). Mr. Nixon, the statesman who opened doors to China and the Soviet Union, also sold ambassadorships for $250,000. He and his aides shook down business executives and labor leaders for millions of dollars. The President also kept a large stash of diverted campaign cash as a political slush fund at the White House.
On July 25, 1972, he asked about its size. Told that $300,000 was on hand, Mr. Nixon seemed disappointed. ''That isn't a hell of a lot,'' he said.
The transcripts show Mr. Nixon, weeks or months earlier in the crisis than was previously known, talking seriously about destroying the White House tapes, resigning the Presidency, and facing the looming threat of impeachment. Some excerpts from the tapes, which are housed at the National Archives, were published this week by The Washington Post and Newsweek magazine, which made their own transcriptions."
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Posted on 2/20/17 at 9:42 am to Big_Slim
If he was a dem, the washington post would have laughed off his watergate issues.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 9:42 am to Big_Slim
quote:
Anyone else think Nixon was treated unfairly?
Given the crap pulled by the Clinton's and Odumbo......without a doubt...he was treated unfairly. Having said that, he was rightly driven out of office...but so should Clinton and Obama have been.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 9:44 am to Big_Slim
quote:Only difference was involvement of a Special Prosecutor, and enough integrity in his own party to not stonewall proceedings. That coupled with his selfish, and stupid reticence to destroy his oval office tapes.
Compare Nixon's Watergate to some of the scandals of HRC and Obama
But no, Nixon was most definitely not treated unfairly.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 9:53 am to Big_Slim
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scandals of HRC and Obama
What tha...? Are you sure about this?
I just heard Shelia Jackson Lee say Obama had a scandal-free presidency
Posted on 2/20/17 at 10:08 am to Big_Slim
Yes, every Republican for the last 70 years have been mistreated by the media with the possible exception of General Eisenhower. Nixon was property thrown out. But Clinton's perjury was covered as just sex, and Obama's cover up Fast and Furious was covered as partisan politics!
Posted on 2/20/17 at 10:12 am to Big_Slim
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Compare Nixon's Watergate to some of the scandals of HRC and Obama
You're talking about time frames 40 years apart. Not sure they're comparable.
That's like saying "should we have bombed Japan" and then only referencing 1980s Japan for reasons why we should have or shouldn't have. Hard to ignore that you're talking about a 4 decades of difference.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 10:14 am to Big_Slim
Not really no. People had integrity in those days. These days, politicians doing dishonest things is unfortunately business as usual. Sadly that was practically a reason people were giving to vote for Hillary over Trump
This post was edited on 2/20/17 at 10:15 am
Posted on 2/20/17 at 10:25 am to Big_Slim
Should have had his impeachment trial after we saw the 25 yr papers. He would have been shot for treason for his undermining us troops by negotiating with the vietnamese as a civilian.
You still think hes less guilty than mrs c, read more.
Watergate was mainly about nixon being insane. He led mcgovern by 25 points in polling.
You still think hes less guilty than mrs c, read more.
Watergate was mainly about nixon being insane. He led mcgovern by 25 points in polling.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 10:33 am to Big_Slim
OP, I was alive at the time and watched it going down.
Nixon got totally railroaded.
Other world leaders at the time thought the same thing. They considered Watergate a relatively minor issue and laughed at the media storm that developed over it.
But the liberals and their associates in the media HATED Nixon, going back to the Whitaker Chambers/Alger Hiss matter.
Nixon was an extremely capable guy, more so than most of those that succeeded him.
Nixon got totally railroaded.
Other world leaders at the time thought the same thing. They considered Watergate a relatively minor issue and laughed at the media storm that developed over it.
But the liberals and their associates in the media HATED Nixon, going back to the Whitaker Chambers/Alger Hiss matter.
Nixon was an extremely capable guy, more so than most of those that succeeded him.
This post was edited on 2/20/17 at 10:40 am
Posted on 2/20/17 at 10:36 am to Big_Slim
Nixon wiped his arse with the constitution. He got what he deserved. He quit rather than face impeachment and certain conviction.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 11:28 am to Big_Slim
quote:
Anyone else think Nixon was treated unfairly?
In present day context, yes. What the Nixon administration was mild compared to blatant compromise of national security under the Obama admin.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 4:02 pm to Big_Slim
No he broke the law and should have been ousted.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 4:08 pm to Big_Slim
quote:
what he did just really doesn't seem like a big deal
What he did was send people into Democratic headquarters as burglars to steal strategy papers in the run up to the election. That's bad. He's a farking thief and a burglar.
I can see why a young person might be confused. In the run up to this election, electronic thieves broke into Democratic computers to steal strategy papers. Yet as of this point, no one has been outed as the thief.
Just wait and watch. This will ultimately be found to be very similar.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 4:26 pm to Big_Slim
Given that Nixon should never have assumed the Presidency after his treason in 68 he's lucky he only ended up disgraced.
Posted on 2/20/17 at 7:04 pm to Big_Slim
quote:
Compare Nixon's Watergate to some of the scandals of HRC and Obama that the media swept completely under the rug, and what he did just really doesn't seem like a big deal (I still don't think it that bad even without this frame of reference).
Hillary's email scandal coverup with the destroying of subpoenaed documents and the lying to congress was as bad or worse than Watergate.
Obama's friends in the IRS committed the same sins as what the articles of impeachment for Nixon were exposing.
The shady deals for BHO and HRC with the Justice Dept AG's Holder and Lynch were beyond comprehension. Never in my life have I heard an AG just say were not going to enforce that...
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