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thoughts on Peter Jackson's The Hobbit trilogy
Posted on 1/18/17 at 8:18 am
Posted on 1/18/17 at 8:18 am
I finally got around to watching Peter Jackson's The Hobbit trilogy (extended version) last week, and thought that it was great fun.
It had been a while since I had read the original novel, so I decided to reread it yesterday. I'm about 2/3 of the way through it now, and I think that it's more than fair to say that Jackson's Hobbit trilogy is, at best, loosely based on Tolkien's original novel. It definitely works well as a prequel of sorts to Jackson's LOTR trilogy, but not so well as a faithful adaptation of the original source material.
If I was a Tolkien fanboy, I would no doubt be offended by the liberties that Jackson took with the story. However, I'm not a Tolkien fanboy, and I think that watching the trilogy was great fun.
I do get why so many people disliked it, though.
Thoughts?
Oh, and I know that ^^^ made some people roll their eyes. Good times.
It had been a while since I had read the original novel, so I decided to reread it yesterday. I'm about 2/3 of the way through it now, and I think that it's more than fair to say that Jackson's Hobbit trilogy is, at best, loosely based on Tolkien's original novel. It definitely works well as a prequel of sorts to Jackson's LOTR trilogy, but not so well as a faithful adaptation of the original source material.
If I was a Tolkien fanboy, I would no doubt be offended by the liberties that Jackson took with the story. However, I'm not a Tolkien fanboy, and I think that watching the trilogy was great fun.
I do get why so many people disliked it, though.
Thoughts?
Oh, and I know that ^^^ made some people roll their eyes. Good times.
Posted on 1/18/17 at 8:20 am to sorantable
Depends on how you go into it. It's not the same type of movie as the LOTR trilogy, so you can't compare.
The Gollum scene was done perfectly, IMO. One of the top scenes for all 6 films. There's a lot in there that I didn't enjoy and felt it would have been better in 2 movies.
The Gollum scene was done perfectly, IMO. One of the top scenes for all 6 films. There's a lot in there that I didn't enjoy and felt it would have been better in 2 movies.
Posted on 1/18/17 at 8:20 am to sorantable
It was trash. The lack of physics was insulting. Insulting.
I will say I loved all the actors and there were some great scenes but your mind will be mush before you get to them.
I will say I loved all the actors and there were some great scenes but your mind will be mush before you get to them.
This post was edited on 1/18/17 at 8:21 am
Posted on 1/18/17 at 8:20 am to sorantable
pretty stupid TBH but it's not Jackson's fault.
I fault the studio for trying to milk another trilogy after the model of the LOTR trilogy using a book that was only a couple of hundred pages.
I fault the studio for trying to milk another trilogy after the model of the LOTR trilogy using a book that was only a couple of hundred pages.
Posted on 1/18/17 at 8:21 am to sorantable
I thought it was fun, despite its flaws. I'd watch almost anything set in Middle Earth.
Posted on 1/18/17 at 8:22 am to sorantable
It was enjoyable if you don't try to compare it to LOTR in any way.
Posted on 1/18/17 at 8:24 am to sorantable
This post was edited on 5/4/23 at 7:40 am
Posted on 1/18/17 at 8:25 am to sorantable
As a fan of the book I found it terrible. If you just take it as a fun romp for preteens loosely based on the Hobbit it is a lot more palatable.
Posted on 1/18/17 at 8:28 am to sorantable
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I do get why so many people disliked it, though.
Posted on 1/18/17 at 8:40 am to sorantable
The set piece scenes were quality stuff. They should've condensed it down to 2 movies. The CGI was just too much at times. I truly liked the attention to detail in the set, costume, and prop design of LOTR. The attention to detail was great. However, in the Hobbit, I think they just relied way too much on the CGI to make up for that stuff.
Posted on 1/18/17 at 8:49 am to sorantable
There are a few problems with the Hobbit trilogy, other than the fact that it shouldn't have been a trilogy.
First, the action scenes are too long. This is a Peter Jackson hallmark fail. He delivers plenty of action, but the scenes just go on and on and on, and become more ridiculous as the scene drags on. Action scenes should be exciting, not exhausting. He keeps trying to go over the top with these scenes, and then over the top of over the top. Scale it down. Slow it down. Make it more personal.
Second, the third-tier love story of Tauriel and the Dwarf is ridiculous. I realize Jackson and company are trying to work in a love story here, and a female character as well. Why not have a female character we care about, independent of a love story, especially a ridiculous one between two races that hate each other, and are physical mismatches? This makes about as much sense as a killer whale and a dolphin getting it on. I think they could have had a more compelling love story, and character development for Legolas, if they focused more on how Legolas loved and lost with Tauriel.
Third, Bilbo and the Dwarfs carry the story, because it's what carries the book. It felt to me like 2/3 of the Dwarfs were comic relief. There are moments of Dwarf comedy in the book, but these are people who lost their homes and want it back. Show me more about why a dozen Dwarfs would not surrender to an army of hundreds when they showed up on their doorstep. Dig deeper on what motivates them. It needs to be more personal.
That being said, there are some good things that I enjoyed about the movies:
I thought Smaug was done well. I liked the fight between Smaug and the Dwarfs.
I liked the Dwarf set designs in the Lonely Mountain. I liked the battle at the gates of Moria, and Dane Ironfoot.
I liked the scene with Gollum, which was one of the keys to the whole thing working or failing.
I liked Gandalf investigating the re-emergence of Sauron.
Bilbo was acted well. I also liked Thorin.
Overall, it's not terrible, but it could have been better if the scope were smaller, and not as ambitious. The Hobbit is an intimate story of a introverted person becoming involved in a greater world. Though it has epic parts, it's not supposed to be an epic story, like LOTR. I think Jackson was too EPIC in his approach.
First, the action scenes are too long. This is a Peter Jackson hallmark fail. He delivers plenty of action, but the scenes just go on and on and on, and become more ridiculous as the scene drags on. Action scenes should be exciting, not exhausting. He keeps trying to go over the top with these scenes, and then over the top of over the top. Scale it down. Slow it down. Make it more personal.
Second, the third-tier love story of Tauriel and the Dwarf is ridiculous. I realize Jackson and company are trying to work in a love story here, and a female character as well. Why not have a female character we care about, independent of a love story, especially a ridiculous one between two races that hate each other, and are physical mismatches? This makes about as much sense as a killer whale and a dolphin getting it on. I think they could have had a more compelling love story, and character development for Legolas, if they focused more on how Legolas loved and lost with Tauriel.
Third, Bilbo and the Dwarfs carry the story, because it's what carries the book. It felt to me like 2/3 of the Dwarfs were comic relief. There are moments of Dwarf comedy in the book, but these are people who lost their homes and want it back. Show me more about why a dozen Dwarfs would not surrender to an army of hundreds when they showed up on their doorstep. Dig deeper on what motivates them. It needs to be more personal.
That being said, there are some good things that I enjoyed about the movies:
I thought Smaug was done well. I liked the fight between Smaug and the Dwarfs.
I liked the Dwarf set designs in the Lonely Mountain. I liked the battle at the gates of Moria, and Dane Ironfoot.
I liked the scene with Gollum, which was one of the keys to the whole thing working or failing.
I liked Gandalf investigating the re-emergence of Sauron.
Bilbo was acted well. I also liked Thorin.
Overall, it's not terrible, but it could have been better if the scope were smaller, and not as ambitious. The Hobbit is an intimate story of a introverted person becoming involved in a greater world. Though it has epic parts, it's not supposed to be an epic story, like LOTR. I think Jackson was too EPIC in his approach.
Posted on 1/18/17 at 8:49 am to sorantable
There are many flaws in the Hobbit trilogy that a lot of people in the thread have already talked about. The things that made me the most upset were how bad the orcs and goblins looked compared to LoTR. In Lotr the evil monsters truly looked dark and nasty while in the hobbit they just looked goofy with bad cgi. I also couldn't stand the fan service they tried to pull with putting Legolas in the movie. The movies are still fun, but they do add a stain to LoTR trilogy. Luckily not even close to as bad as what the star wars prequels did.
This post was edited on 1/18/17 at 8:52 am
Posted on 1/18/17 at 9:14 am to sorantable
They tried to do too much with too little. But still a fan.
Posted on 1/18/17 at 9:26 am to sorantable
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I finally got around to watching Peter Jackson's The Hobbit trilogy (extended version) last week,
Just getting the TV in Miss. huh? nice
Posted on 1/18/17 at 9:32 am to sorantable
I enjoyed it, but it certainly isn't perfect. Most of my thoughts on the flaws are covered in other posts. Including the studio getting greedy and turning it into 3 movies. Peter Jackson was sort of forced into the director role last minute with too short of a timeline to complete it. I think it would've been much better had that not been the case.
However, the Gollum scene and Smaug were absolutely incredible. They pretty much saved the movies.
Peter Jackson explains why The Hobbit is a mess
However, the Gollum scene and Smaug were absolutely incredible. They pretty much saved the movies.
Peter Jackson explains why The Hobbit is a mess
This post was edited on 1/18/17 at 9:38 am
Posted on 1/18/17 at 9:53 am to sorantable
The cgi reminded me of James Bond skiing on those waves in die another day
Posted on 1/18/17 at 9:58 am to sorantable
I didn't see any of 'em until the extended editions all came out on BluRay. By that time, my expectations were totally in check, so I enjoyed 'em well enough.
Posted on 1/18/17 at 10:08 am to sorantable
They lost me at the mine car roller coaster scene in the Goblin King's tunnel. I lost interest and I don't think I've ever watched the 2nd or 3rd movies straight through - though I will catch bits of them if they are on as I flip through channels.
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