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Does Anyone Really Believe We've Killed 75% of ISIS fighters?
Posted on 12/14/16 at 11:24 am
Posted on 12/14/16 at 11:24 am
The media keeps throwing this number out yet it sounds so far fetched. What do you feel we've really accomplished?
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Posted on 12/14/16 at 11:24 am to dabigfella
Do you have better information?
Posted on 12/14/16 at 11:25 am to dabigfella
i absolutely could believe it. the thing is that they are a recruiting machine. So we kill one, and another takes their place.
eta: i have never seen that until this thread, but sounds plausible to me.
eta: i have never seen that until this thread, but sounds plausible to me.
This post was edited on 12/14/16 at 11:26 am
Posted on 12/14/16 at 11:26 am to dabigfella
That's a neat trick since we don't even know how many there are.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 11:27 am to Hawkeye95
lol did they just check and cross reference with the official ISIS registry? what about all the ISIS sympathizers in europe,africa, and the US? I dont think they've killed 75% of the ones even in the region bc if they did, ISIS would be disbanding, the guys would see the writing on the wall and just quit already. Seems like propoganda from the obama administration trying to look like it did something.
This post was edited on 12/14/16 at 11:28 am
Posted on 12/14/16 at 11:28 am to dabigfella
They get killed. They refresh their ranks. We kill them again. Don't get caught up in percentages which change from day to day.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 11:31 am to dabigfella
Considering millions of Muslims support ISIS, a snapshot of 75% killed doesn't mean much. LINK Clearly they have a deep bench to take the game to the 4th quarter.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 11:32 am to dabigfella
quote:We know who they are, where they are, when they die (individually now, apparently) we just can't seem to kill them.
lol did they just check and cross reference with the official ISIS registry?
Is anyone still buying this nonsense?
Posted on 12/14/16 at 11:33 am to Hawkeye95
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i absolutely could believe it. the thing is that they are a recruiting machine. So we kill one, and another takes their place.
i think the issue is that ISIS has run out of money and they aren't re-filling the ranks. so it's not that we're killing them more as much as their recruitment is failing
Posted on 12/14/16 at 11:33 am to dabigfella
"Reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated" -ISIS
Posted on 12/14/16 at 11:33 am to dabigfella
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Posted on 12/14/16 at 11:34 am to dabigfella
Sounds like an opportunity for upward mobility, if you ask me.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 11:37 am to dabigfella
The real question is, once ISIS relinquishes control of land, do they convert to an underground terrorist movement that seriously threatens Syria, Iraq, Turkey?
Posted on 12/14/16 at 11:38 am to Hawkeye95
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i absolutely could believe it
That 75% has been killed? Then you post this:
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So we kill one, and another takes their place.
So how do we get the 75% when you're replacing a dead one with a live one?
Posted on 12/14/16 at 11:38 am to Stingray
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The real question is, once ISIS relinquishes control of land, do they convert to an underground terrorist movement that seriously threatens Syria, Iraq, Turkey?
Of course. The reason ISIS is popular now is because they have a structure that resembles a Western intelligence framework while at the same time being decentralized.
The issues with ISIS and the ME won't end with the end of the Syrian war, the end of which isn't even in sight.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 11:43 am to dabigfella
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The media keeps throwing this number out yet it sounds so far fetched. What do you feel we've really accomplished?
We support ISIS. The sooner you folks get that US is the chaos maker in this world the better.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 11:44 am to TX Tiger
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We know who they are, where they are, when they die (individually now, apparently) we just can't seem to kill them.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 11:45 am to dabigfella
That's just counting the JV team, not the varsity or freshmen teams.
Posted on 12/14/16 at 11:51 am to Hawkeye95
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i absolutely could believe it. the thing is that they are a recruiting machine. So we kill one, and another takes their place.
If Hawkeye and I are in complete agreement, how far from the truth can we be?
In all seriousness, though - this goes back to the "bodycount" era of the Vietnam War. What difference does it make how many we kill if they accomplish their operational and strategic goals? Bodycount is not a score - it's like total yards in a football game. Scoring is accomplishing strategic objectives.
Successful defense is preventing the other side from accomplishing objectives - honestly (and, full disclosure, I'm a combat veteran) casualties or "body count" (for either side) are analogous to broken eggshells in relation to the omelet that is a tactical, operational or strategic objective.
Take the Battle of Gettysburg - for example - from a casualty standpoint, roughly a wash for both armies involved. It is a decisive victory for the Army of the Potomoc, and perhaps the single most decisive victory in U.S. military history (maybe the Battle of Midway). How can that be?
Winning and losing wars is way more than about killing people. If they were alive today, William Westmoreland and Vo Ngyuen Giap would tell you exactly the same thing (even though we won that war in the competitive phase, it was much closer than the bodycounts would suggest - and our conceding all gains - to avoid further casualties - just a couple years after victory makes so their "loss" of the competitive war and bodycount irrelevant and of no moment to their ultimate, strategic victory).
This post was edited on 12/14/16 at 11:55 am
Posted on 12/14/16 at 12:02 pm to dabigfella
So this is part of the "inflate my legacy" of the Obama admin. Too bad everyone knows he sucks already.
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