re: McKnight shooter released from custody...Cliffnotes of Normand press conf inside

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Witnesses say he was the aggressor

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Only statement I read said that the witness saw him speaking to him in a demeaning way after he shot him. That does not imply aggressor.. maybe he finished what started and got emotional..

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Suggesting he's got more resources than the average perp in one of these situations is not far fetched.

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Or maybe there are facts unknown to us that make it a self defense case.

I'm not saying he's innocent, but many are just going with guilty based on opinion. If he's been released, there must be a good reason.

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Jesus Christ emilio, then please do tell what you would do in that situation? Hide under the car seat and call 911?

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If you brandish a gun, and whoever you brandish your gun at basically apologizes and the situation is diffused, then you get back in your car. You don't get trigger happy and pop him.

There is a huge difference between a witness willing to give there story to the police, and "witnesses" willing to talk to the media.


I have a feeling the ones that spoke with the police dont corroborate with the ones that ran to the media. That is the only way he would have been released.

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All the witness statements have been released already?

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they are going off of a witness that spoke to media and not police. in other words it may not be true

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In most states those consequences are criminal intimidation.

Not sure what world you live in that beating your chest spewing hot air deserves being shot

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you know i like you gene, but im saying you have here a scrawny 150 lb white guy and a 215 lb running back. Why on earth was joe mcknight even out of his car? Would he have gotten shot if he stayed in his car? If one was to speculate would the scrawny white guy get out of his car with the gun first then followed by mcknight getting out or would mcknight get out first then the man with the gun emerges? I dont know about you but if i see a guy with a gun emerge first, im driving through the red light.

At this point if mcknight got out first,then ron got out, what do you want ron to do. Mcknight was way bigger and possibly violent towards the smaller man. A gun is the equalizer, it sounds like when he pulled it, joe realized he had messed up by being a complete hotehead, which he showed during his time at USC and the Jets.

Again, I really could care less either way, but I hate that everyone brings race into the equation, this had nothing to do with race, it had to do with a smaller man, intimidated by a bigger man, and the smaller man had a gun. I just dont think this guy waited 54 years to start killing blacks, and I dont think that anyone would have died if both parties stayed in their cars but from how it sounds, mcknight got out first, I see no way a guy brandishing a gun got out first and mcknight got out too see whats up.

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It doesn't add up and suggests there is more to the story.

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Could be

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a 50 year old, apparently somewhat successful business man

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This really doesnt mean anything. Moderately successful people snap all the time. We don't know what makes this guy tick.

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If you brandish a gun, and whoever you brandish your gun at basically apologizes and the situation is diffused, then you get back in your car. You don't get trigger happy and pop him.

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The problem is you don't know for sure those are the facts. You may have read that on social media. You may have even read that was some witness (who declined to be identified) account in a news article. But you don't know those are the actual facts.

People lie. All. The. Time. They especially lie to suit their own biases and worldview. I don't know how many more examples of this we are going to need before people realize this.

If the law enforcement has released this guy without charging him you can bet your sweet arse this is not as cut and dry as these "witness" accounts make it. There is more to this that is not widely and publicly known.

NOT PICKING SIDES HERE just trying to play devils advocate I guess, but I would venture to say that the witnesses automatically picked sides and MAY HAVE adjusted their stories accordingly...

A white guy shot a black guy in a predominately black area where people are always hanging out in their front yards (anyone who has been down behrman and holmes knows what I'm talking about)... let me be clear, I AM NOT SAYING THAT JOE DESERVED TO BE MURDERED, but to pass off 'eyewitness' testimony at this point seems kind of premature given the circumstances... it's really early in a process like this




With that being said, I hope that there is some concrete evidence, a traffic or surveillance camera maybe that caught the whole incident so if the POS shot him for no reason, he can get what he deserves

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Certain crimes, yes. And it's not by my logic, it is what the law is. See, I know it. Apparently you don't. I'm being factual. You're being knee jerkey and uninformed.

Not if the other person's life isn't in danger. I don't think the scenario you laid out justifies it.

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That's not the law.

If I have reasonable belief that shooting the guy will stop the victim from death or great bodily harm, I walk. A 200 pound athletic male beating up a 125 pound female is a guaranteed walk.

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In most states those consequences are criminal intimidation.

Not sure what world you live in that beating your chest spewing hot air deserves being shot


you know i like you gene, but im saying you have here a scrawny 150 lb white guy and a 215 lb running back. Why on earth was joe mcknight even out of his car? Would he have gotten shot if he stayed in his car? If one was to speculate would the scrawny white guy get out of his car with the gun first then followed by mcknight getting out or would mcknight get out first then the man with the gun emerges? I dont know about you but if i see a guy with a gun emerge first, im driving through the red light.

At this point if mcknight got out first,then ron got out, what do you want ron to do. Mcknight was way bigger and possibly violent towards the smaller man. A gun is the equalizer, it sounds like when he pulled it, joe realized he had messed up by being a complete hotehead, which he showed during his time at USC and the Jets.

Again, I really could care less either way, but I hate that everyone brings race into the equation, this had nothing to do with race, it had to do with a smaller man, intimidated by a bigger man, and the smaller man had a gun. I just dont think this guy waited 54 years to start killing blacks, and I dont think that anyone would have died if both parties stayed in their cars but from how it sounds, mcknight got out first, I see no way a guy brandishing a gun got out first and mcknight got out too see whats up.

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First off Mcknight is only listed as 5'11 205 online. Not exactly huge by any measure. Also Gasser's sister called him a "gentle giant" so he's not a 150lb scrawny white dude. Irregardless, once the gun came out and Joe was apologizing (allegedly) it should have been over.