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re: My thoughts about the Coach O hire... (long)
Posted on 11/28/16 at 3:40 pm to LSU82BILL
Posted on 11/28/16 at 3:40 pm to LSU82BILL
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The point is that he made changes to his staff just like a permanent head coach does.
but they weren't really his staff, which is the point
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But then again, you don't really care what the point is if it doesn't align with your agenda, do you?
I have no agenda
You, on other hand, have a very serious agenda, and that is to defend O at all cost, even to the point of being disingenuous
Posted on 11/28/16 at 3:47 pm to Tigertown in ATL
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The team was put in a position to win v. Florida and the players didn't get it done.
I personally agree with this way of thinking, but I'm curious if some posters that wanted to place past failures at Miles feet, are now singing a different tune because it's a new coaching staff.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 3:54 pm to LSU82BILL
quote:What in the frick are you babbling about
Name me a program that names an INTERIM coach after the last game of the season and doesn't replace him before the first game of the next season. Either you don't understand the definition of interim or you are truly a moron.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 3:55 pm to WilliamTaylor21
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Was he the one who gave up a 98 yard touchdown?
Was he the one who fumbled inside the five yard line?
Was he the one who botched the hold on a field goal?
Was he the one who fumbled on a kickoff inside our 30?
Was he the one who went the wrong way on the last play?
When you have to say stuff like this, you might not have a great coach.
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Bama averages winning games 40-11... We lost 10-0, and played them tougher than any team in America. With a bit more creativity in the offensive play calling, we likely win that game. A new offensive coordinator will bring that creativity
In other words, we should have scored points.
Lack of creativity wasn't the problem in that game. Lack of creativity was a symptom of the real problem, which was poor cost-benefit, risk, and SWOT analysis by the coaching staff.
O played right into Sabans hands.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 3:59 pm to WilliamTaylor21
Thanks, Willie. The last few years there hasn't been much more that I've wanted than for the Tigers to have great teams and finish at the top of the rankings. Well, that wish just got augmented. I want the Tigers to have a great team, finish at the top of the rankings - with CEO as the coach.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 4:02 pm to Salmon
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You, on other hand, have a very serious agenda, and that is to defend O at all cost, even to the point of being disingenuous
I don't have a agenda. Orgeron wan't the guy I wanted to see LSU hire. But when somebody says that what an interim coach does "isn't remotely similar to running a program", that is an ignorant statement that needs to be called out. Not remotely similar? The interim coach DOES run the program in the exact same way a head coach is expected to run the program with the only significant difference being the ability to offer contracts and form his own staff which obviously can't be done as it would impede the university's ability to hire a permanent head coach should they not hire the interim coach.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 4:12 pm to LSU82BILL
quote:Nope. It's just reality.
have a agenda. Orgeron wan't the guy I wanted to see LSU hire. But when somebody says that what an interim coach does "isn't remotely similar to running a program", that is an ignorant statement that needs to be called ou
A person who has been an ACTUAL head coach has had to oversee all aspects of a program top to bottom both during the season and between seasons.
Being the temporary guy in ANY position is completely different than being THE guy.
I can't help that you can't comprehend this reality. Everyone who has actually been in charge of an organization knows it though.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 4:26 pm to earl keese
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some posters that wanted to place past failures at Miles feet, are now singing a different tune because it's a new coaching staff.
I don't think people ever really blamed Les for mistakes similar to what we saw vs Florida though. The only real "player" problem that was put on Les was when the team came out flat or unmotivated.
No one was blaming Les when LF fumbled twice vs MsState. People were blaming LF, which I'm sure he would tell you was warranted.
Or when Malachi was dropping so many passes earlier this year, people put that on Malachi. Again, I'm sure Malachi would say his criticism was warranted.
There are times when a coach deserves the criticism (the clock management vs Auburn) and there are times when the players deserve the criticism (UF).
Posted on 11/28/16 at 4:37 pm to uway
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When you have to say stuff like this, you might not have a great coach.
That doesn't make any sense.
- Raymond/Aranda coach the DBs
- Juluke coaches the RBs
I consider those guys pretty "great" coaches.
quote:And we should've given up 40 and lost by 30... but didn't.
In other words, we should have scored points.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 5:15 pm to ShortyRob
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I can't help that you can't comprehend this reality. Everyone who has actually been in charge of an organization knows it though.
I have been THAT guy. I have been THAT guy with responsibility for more employees than there are in the LSU football program and guess what,....when I was transferred from one UPS center to another, as the center manager I was expected to go on a conference call every single morning and account for the service failures, safety results and production numbers of my center just the same as the other managers who had been in their operations for years. And before that, when I was a supervisor, I was expected to go on that conference call for my manager when he was on vacation and do his job just like he would - including discharging employees. I've been the temporary guy and I've been THE guy. The problem is in your rhetoric. If you want to say it isn't exactly the same, fine. But to say it isn't "remotely similar" or that it is "completely different" is not "the reality.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 8:23 pm to WilliamTaylor21
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No one was blaming Les when LF fumbled twice vs. MsState.
There were plenty of people blaming Miles for those fumbles.
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Or when Malachi was dropping so many passes earlier this year
Again, there were quite a fre people that blamed Miles and the offensive coaching staff.
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There are times when a coach deserves the criticism (the clock management vs Auburn) and there are times when the players deserve the criticism (UF).
Last year against Old Miss. coming out of a timeout, late in the game, around the Rebels one yard line, Fournette and Harris (one or the other) ran the wrong play, resulting in LSU not getting into the endzone and turning the ball over to Mississippi. Miles got roasted on here.
I agree with you that there are times when the players need to man up and accept their fair share of the blame. My only question was how many people that wanted to burn Miles at the stake last year, are now willing to give the current coaching staff a pass on the exact same kind of busted play.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 8:40 pm to earl keese
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My only question was how many people that wanted to burn Miles at the stake last year, are now willing to give the current coaching staff a pass on the exact same kind of busted play
Good point about the Ole Miss play, I can admit that I was one of the ones roasting Miles after that.
With that being said, the Ole Miss play wasn't in nearly the same situation as the Florida play. The Florida play was the last play of the game to get the walk off win. Guice's emotions were clearly running high and likely caused him to get lost in the moment.
The Ole Miss play happened with 6:00 left in the game while LSU was down 38-17. There is no reason anyone should've been too pumped up at that point.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 8:43 pm to WilliamTaylor21
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6.) Charlie Strong - Texas ($5,200,000)
7.) Kevin Sumlin - Texas A&M ($5,000,000)
8.) Gus Malzahn - Auburn ($4,725,000)
9.) Hugh Freeze - Ole Miss ($4,700,000)
13.) Les Miles - LSU ($4,300,000)
17.) Bret Bielema - Arkansas ($4,145,000)
18.) Butch Jones - Tennessee ($4,100,000)
And 1-5? Because 4 of them are either in the playoffs or have a viable shot at the playoffs
Posted on 11/28/16 at 8:47 pm to WilliamTaylor21
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So coach O can't be blamed for the Florida loss? It was all the players' fault right?
Okay well don't give him any credit for any of the victories, either. The players did it.
Do me a favor, make me a list of all the things Coach O did wrong in the Florida game.
I'll wait.
Idiot. Twice in the 5 yet DW DOESNT SEE THE FIELD WITH GUICE FUMBLING THE FORST TIME? Too big of a moment for him. HE LET ENSMINGER MAKE THE CALL TWICE! Once on the full back dive and once on leaving Guice in on both of these drives.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 8:55 pm to TH03
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And 1-5? Because 4 of them are either in the playoffs or have a viable shot at the playoffs
3 of the top 5 are Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, and Jim Harbaugh... hate to break it to you, but those type coaches don't grow on trees.
#4 is Bob Stoops, who over the last 4 years has a combined record of 40-12 with a 1-3 bowl record (4-6 in his last 10 bowl games)...
40-12 is a .769 win %...
At USC and LSU Coach O is 11-4, a .733 win %...
ETA: and #5 was offered but turned it down. Whether you want to admit it or not "You get what you pay for" is a dumb comment. The list I provided shows that.
This post was edited on 11/28/16 at 9:02 pm
Posted on 11/28/16 at 8:59 pm to Tiger1988
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Idiot. Twice in the 5 yet DW DOESNT SEE THE FIELD WITH GUICE FUMBLING THE FORST TIME? Too big of a moment for him. HE LET ENSMINGER MAKE THE CALL TWICE! Once on the full back dive and once on leaving Guice in on both of these drives.
Hold up, when you say DW are you referring to Darrel Williams? Just want to be clear on this...
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:17 pm to Deactived
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oops
How about we look at some lower paid coaches?
21.) Bobby Petrino - Louisville ($3,900,000)
22.) Chris Peterson - Washington ($3,600,000)
32.) Justin Fuente - VaTech ($3,200,000)
35.) Tom Herman - Houston ($3,000,000)
37.) Dana Holgerson - West Virginia ($2,980,000)
38.) Mike Leach - WSU ($2,950,000)
43.) Paul Chryst - Wisconsin ($2,700,000)
58.) Mike MacIntyre - Colorado ($2,011,000)
78.) PJ Fleck - WMU ($816,000)
But "you get what you pay for" right?
oops
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:38 pm to TigerD84
i think coach O played guice didnt bench guice. if he benched guice maybe it was good reason guice does not know his right from his left. he went the wrong way twice when all guice had to do was actually run left which was the call on last play. simple mistake im sure but it was that easy to beat florida and lsu players were just not up for that game at all, did not want it. staff included, the offense looked like exact replica of offense vs bama a couple weeks prior
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:45 pm to CL8100
Yeah he didn't bench Guice, actually after the fumble Leonard had 10 carries and Guice had 10 carries. Hardly benching him.
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